What top 10 prospect do you absolutely NOT want?

[CanadianCat]

Who would you not be excited about?

[X-Clown]

[MHS831]

I am in the "overthinking it" stage, but I will share where i am mentally right now, excluding my therapist's most recent diagnosis:

Jalon Walker makes me nervous because if his versatility is his most redeeming quality, that versatility may not be as effective in the NFL.  I am not sure Evero would use him correctly, but that is not fair to Evero.

James Pearce Jr. scares me.  He just does not knock me over like Carter and I am not sure he is NFL ready right now.  Don't ask me to explain it, but I watched for him in games and did not come away overly impressed.  Not sure his is top 10 either.  However, I would love to have him on the team, just worried that he might be a great college player but would be figured out in the NFL.  I also think we should start drafting first rounders who did not grow up within a 50 mile radius of Charlotte.  (this includes Walker).

Thank God we are not in need of a starting QB....

Travis Hunter is a great story, but how much of his rankings and celebrity is based on his dual role contribution?  While it has been tried at times in the NFL, never really worked.  I think he is a good athlete, no doubt, and a good CB--but not worth a top 5 pick when there is a better CB and a better WR in this draft.

Having said that, I think Will Johnson would be a great pick if we don't sign Mike Jack back.  He is probably a better CB than Travis Hunter.  What bothers me?  Having 2 injury-prone CBs.  I think we should sign Mike Jack,draft DL and edge and pressure the QB--that makes all CBs better.

Tyler Warren is a great TE and offensive weapon in many ways, but TE is not a top 5 need on this team.  Maybe after free agency I would be interested, but he is no Brock Bowers (picked 12th); very, very few TEs are taken in the top 10.  Many don't transition to the NFL that well, and TE is a position that can usually be found later in the draft.  Too many needs (right now) to be chasing a TE.

T-McMillan might be the best WR in the draft, but he would probably be drafted at the end of the 2024 draft, fourth or fifth overall.  I think we need to after 3 studs at DL and edge.  We have to be careful because we drafted XL knowing he was raw, and he was not that bad if you compare his stats to rookie WRs.  Let Coker and XL grow, and draft a WR later.

I would not be mad if we drafted Walker or Johnson--but Jeremy Chinn's usage and Horn's injuries have me hesitant. 

Having broken this down, I would love Graham, take Walker, Warren, or Johnson, and I just realized that taking an OT might be smarter than I thought.  My take would be, Graham or trade back.  If I took OT, I would trade Moton to save cap room and to get younger and a player at a need position.  It could be a Win-win-win.

Edited 22 hours ago by MHS831

[ChuckWag78]

Any QB or OL. I can get excited about any other position with all of our areas if need. 

Edited 22 hours ago by ChuckWag78

[Khyber53]

Just stay away from Sanders. Thank God we don't need a QB right now!

 

[countryboi]

Any QB or Tyler Warren. I mean if Warren is BPA I would learn to love it but I really want to see JT blossom and if you really love a TE, Elijah Arroyo is a sleeper

 

but the real love hate prospects in this draft is Deone Walker and Shemar Stewart

[toldozer]

Travis hunter.  I don't think he's the best cb or the best wr. He may end up a decent cb but I don't think he'll end up close to a top 50 wr in the league

[jfra78]

54 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I am in the "overthinking it" stage, but I will share where i am mentally right now, excluding my therapist's most recent diagnosis:

Jalon Walker makes me nervous because if his versatility is his most redeeming quality, that versatility may not be as effective in the NFL.  I am not sure Evero would use him correctly, but that is not fair to Evero.

James Pearce Jr. scares me.  He just does not knock me over like Carter and I am not sure he is NFL ready right now.  Don't ask me to explain it, but I watched for him in games and did not come away overly impressed.  Not sure his is top 10 either.  However, I would love to have him on the team, just worried that he might be a great college player but would be figured out in the NFL.  I also think we should start drafting first rounders who did not grow up within a 50 mile radius of Charlotte.  (this includes Walker).

Thank God we are not in need of a starting QB....

Travis Hunter is a great story, but how much of his rankings and celebrity is based on his dual role contribution?  While it has been tried at times in the NFL, never really worked.  I think he is a good athlete, no doubt, and a good CB--but not worth a top 5 pick when there is a better CB and a better WR in this draft.

Having said that, I think Will Johnson would be a great pick if we don't sign Mike Jack back.  He is probably a better CB than Travis Hunter.  What bothers me?  Having 2 injury-prone CBs.  I think we should sign Mike Jack,draft DL and edge and pressure the QB--that makes all CBs better.

Tyler Warren is a great TE and offensive weapon in many ways, but TE is not a top 5 need on this team.  Maybe after free agency I would be interested, but he is no Brock Bowers (picked 12th); very, very few TEs are taken in the top 10.  Many don't transition to the NFL that well, and TE is a position that can usually be found later in the draft.  Too many needs (right now) to be chasing a TE.

T-McMillan might be the best WR in the draft, but he would probably be drafted at the end of the 2024 draft, fourth or fifth overall.  I think we need to after 3 studs at DL and edge.  We have to be careful because we drafted XL knowing he was raw, and he was not that bad if you compare his stats to rookie WRs.  Let Coker and XL grow, and draft a WR later.

I would not be mad if we drafted Walker or Johnson--but Jeremy Chinn's usage and Horn's injuries have me hesitant. 

Having broken this down, I would love Graham, take Walker, Warren, or Johnson, and I just realized that taking an OT might be smarter than I thought.  My take would be, Graham or trade back.  If I took OT, I would trade Moton to save cap room and to get younger and a player at a need position.  It could be a Win-win-win.

Chinn was a DB/LB hybrid and Walker is a ILB that can play OLB too much like Luvu.  I don't think it's a fair comparison 

[Khyber53]

16 minutes ago, toldozer said:

Travis hunter.  I don't think he's the best cb or the best wr. He may end up a decent cb but I don't think he'll end up close to a top 50 wr in the league

I think people see him, see Deon as his coach and think that it's going to happen again. Only better.

I'm not sold.

The kid very well could be fantastic, but he isn't going to hold up playing both sides in the NFL. Some Sean Peyton-guy is going to make sure that he gets clobbered by a safety every time he goes up for a catch and picked off by a TE rub every time he covers a slot receiver. 

Or he could revolutionize the whole sport.

Big roll of the dice there.

[MHS831]

Just now, jfra78 said:

Chinn was a DB/LB hybrid and Walker is a ILB that can play OLB too much like Luvu.  I don't think it's a fair comparison 

Experts are projecting him to edge in the NFL--I am not even sure he'd be hybrid here.  Playing both in college, his overall PFF rating was 90.  When he was positioned as an edge, however, it dropped to 74 or something.  Merely as an edge, he is probably a developmental player with a high ceiling.  In my experience, being a hybrid player works to your advantage as a player because it is more difficult to game plan against you; a good DC puts you in position to exploit a weakness.  Take that away from him, and Evero might, Walker is not as effective.  So I am not sold on him.  Comparing him to Luvu was for the purpose of illustrating the only example we have of Evero working with a hybrid player--and Chinn, under Evero, became less effective than the year before.  I was not comparing positions.

[MHS831]

8 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think people see him, see Deon as his coach and think that it's going to happen again. Only better.

I'm not sold.

The kid very well could be fantastic, but he isn't going to hold up playing both sides in the NFL. Some Sean Peyton-guy is going to make sure that he gets clobbered by a safety every time he goes up for a catch and picked off by a TE rub every time he covers a slot receiver. 

Or he could revolutionize the whole sport.

Big roll of the dice there.

I agree--same thing.  Deon understands how to promote players and programs, knowing that publicity helps him.  After his first year, I think he had 23 (going from memory) portal additions.  

I think you have to choose a side with Hunter.  I would probably draft him, but I am confident he will be gone.  You could have him as a starting CB and bring him in on 8-10 pass plays per game, but I would use him as a decoy more often than not.  If you started him as a WR, part time duty at CB is a bit more difficult, but not impossible.  I think he will be a good player, but his value is part novelty.  I am looking for hog mollies with a hand in the dirt--so I am not really taking Hunter that seriously as a potential Panther--and he will be gone.

[mrcompletely11]

32 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Experts are projecting him to edge in the NFL--I am not even sure he'd be hybrid here.  Playing both in college, his overall PFF rating was 90.  When he was positioned as an edge, however, it dropped to 74 or something.  Merely as an edge, he is probably a developmental player with a high ceiling.  In my experience, being a hybrid player works to your advantage as a player because it is more difficult to game plan against you; a good DC puts you in position to exploit a weakness.  Take that away from him, and Evero might, Walker is not as effective.  So I am not sold on him.  Comparing him to Luvu was for the purpose of illustrating the only example we have of Evero working with a hybrid player--and Chinn, under Evero, became less effective than the year before.  I was not comparing positions.

I think his combine measurements are going to seal his fate one way or another.  He runs a slow 40 hes done.  However if he runs a parsons 4.3 ish or in the 4.4 he is going in the top 10.  I think his intangibles and sheer brute strength are going to make him a weapon on defense.  His tape is just sick.  You want to build culture for the team then you pick the captain of the good sec defense.  Again if a team cannot figure out how to use him or simply not wanting to draft him for that fact then they are either insane or quite stupid.  Feels like we had the same discussion about parson in 21.   use him as a chess piece to move all around the line

 

[Swaggasaurus]

Walker/Williams. They just aren’t natural at any position. 

[tukafan21]

Hunter, no question about it.

I think he's going to be a massive diva in this league, especially when he doesn't get his way of being a full time 2 way player.  I also think he's more hype than reality because people can't separate his collegiate impact with his potential NFL impact.  He's a true generational collegiate talent, but I don't see that translating to the NFL myself.

But the bigger reason that people just seem to not want to talk about or just flat out ignore, he's going to be a rookie next year, but in the body of someone starting their 4th season in the league already.  

He takes twice the amount of wear and tear on his body every year due to playing both ways, so it's essentially like he's already played 6 seasons worth of football past high school.  He's going to breakdown much faster than other players, even if he stays on one side of the ball moving forward as he already has more wear and tear on him.