Tetairoa McMillan

[RumHam]

it's going to be BPA or trade back. poo if it's Jeanty take Jeanty.

[SCO96]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have three 4ths and two 5ths. I don't think we make five picks on the 4th and 5th rounds. I think we package some picks to move up. Yeah, we need bodies but when you get past the 3rd round you're basically throwing darts at the board. Your odds of finding quality players is dropping dramatically. Yeah, we all know great players get drafted in the mid to late rounds and even go undrafted, I'm just talking about playing the odds.

It sounds good in theory to trade/package lower round picks to move into the higher rounds. However, as you pointed out, the odds of finding quality players drops dramatically on Day 3 of the draft. I don't see why a shrewd GM would give us a 2nd or 3rd draft choice just so they could receive 4th and 5th round picks you mentioned in return. Based on the stats, neither you nor I, would get hoodwinked into such a move as a GM. If we don't take a WR in round 1, we should come away from the draft with 3 defensive starters in rounds 1-3, unless some offensive stud at WR or TE  unexpectedly drops.

I think it's a bad idea to go into the 2025 draft "assuming" we're going to be able to make some deal to move up on Day 2. I think we're better off doing some in-depth scouting (not a sure thing with our scouting department) on those Day 3 prospects and see if we can come up with some steals that dropped into the lower rounds. And, we need to study which positions have a higher likelihood of being filled in the later rounds. From 2017-2021, over 1/3 of the starting centers were found in rounds 4-7. That doesn't mean that every center is really a starting caliber player. But, if we aren't sold in Cade Mays as our future...and we fail to land a good center in FA, then we should/could use one of those 4th and try to get the highest ranked center on the board.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, SCO96 said:

It sounds good in theory to trade/package lower round picks to move into the higher rounds. However, as you pointed out, the odds of finding quality players drops dramatically on Day 3 of the draft. I don't see why a shrewd GM would give us a 2nd or 3rd draft choice just so they could receive 4th and 5th round picks you mentioned in return. Based on the stats, neither you nor I, would get hoodwinked into such a move as a GM. If we don't take a WR in round 1, we should come away from the draft with 3 defensive starters in rounds 1-3, unless some offensive stud at WR or TE  unexpectedly drops.

I think it's a bad idea to go into the 2025 draft "assuming" we're going to be able to make some deal to move up on Day 2. I think we're better off doing some in-depth scouting (not a sure thing with our scouting department) on those Day 3 prospects and see if we can come up with some steals that dropped into the lower rounds. And, we need to study which positions have a higher likelihood of being filled in the later rounds. From 2017-2021, over 1/3 of the starting centers were found in rounds 4-7. That doesn't mean that every center is really a starting caliber player. But, if we aren't sold in Cade Mays as our future...and we fail to land a good center in FA, then we should/could use one of those 4th and try to get the highest ranked center on the board.

You're not going to be able to package 4ths and 5ths to get 2nd. The move I think we make is somewhere between #8 and #57. I don't think we sit there and watch 49 quality prospects come off the board with five picks in the 4th and 5th in our back pockets. I think we build a package with #57 to move up in the 2nd.

[Tr3ach]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

We don't have either truthfully.. but speedsters are easier to find that alpha jump ball number 1 big body type guys which is why we gambled on legette.

That archetype isn't that common of a #1 wr now.  Almost all the best wr are are around 6' and just great at running routes and getting open.  The big body jump ball guys are a dated dying breed.  The way defenses play now you're not really taking many deep shots to a big body guy anymore.

[CarolinaRideorDie]

I've argued that 8 TDs are more important than 8 sacks. We absolutely need pass rush help but if there is a chance to pair Bryce with his go-to receiver for years, you have to continue to build around him. Our defense gave up the most points in NFL history and we were still able to win 5 games because our offense scored points. Our defense played better during Bryce's rookie season and we barely won 2 games. Sometimes a good defense is a good offense. 

[Panthering]

Yeah I'm still on the TMac train despite the porous defense last season

[Growl]

scouting department should be completely swept clean if they can’t identify a defensive star in this draft class

Talent isn’t determined by who’s projected to go ahead of us in YouTube mock drafts. They don’t mean anything, especially at this stage where the coaches and pro scouts haven’t even gotten involved in the process. 

[LinvilleGorge]

I just want an elite prospect at #8. Lord knows we have plenty of holes to fill on this roster. We shouldn't feel pressured to force a pick at any particular position or even one particular side of the ball. The only good thing about having a roster with a lot of holes is that come draft time you should feel completely free to simply take the best player on the board pick after pick after pick. 

Honestly, Carter would be #1 on my list at #8 and Mason Graham probably my #2. If both of those guys are gone which seems decently likely it's not terribly difficult to convince me that T-Mac should be #3 on my list. Though honestly I probably have Malaki Starks there personally at the moment.

[Bear Hands]

McMillan reminds me a ton of Drake London, shades of Pittman.  It would be a fine pick considering the lack of top talent in this draft class, but I do think those guys were slightly overdrafted.  Funny enough, both found themselves kind of stuck in mediocrity on teams with lackluster defense and overly-hyped talent on offense.  I'm cool with it, but expectations should be tempered a bit.  I do recognize some are VERY high on the kid here...

Defense wise (without knowing who's got a screw loose and will fall):

Tier 1/Blue Chip - there are 3 on defense: Hunter, Carter, & Graham (none on offense IMO) - Given the SB outcome, unlikely Graham falls.  But it would be cool if he did.

Tier 2 - this is where I divert from others...right now, my next is Kenneth Grant, Will Johnson, James Pearce, Walter Nolen.  Kenneth Grant is one of the guys that has been pegged as a mid-1st but I could see rise given how DL is coveted.  Freak at his size. 

*Even being a bit more lukewarm on Tmac, I see an argument for him to be above those guys in Tier 2.  But I really like Kenneth Grant and Pearce Jr. for us.

Elsewhere, Malaki Starks & Jalon Walker would up there be if they were different positions/roles.  Their talent is legit.  You won't go wrong picking them, and I think who they fall to will be very happy.  

Benjamin Morrison isn't far but he has an injury history to prove wrong.  Mike Green has surged up boards, but I won't pretend I can tell if it's a comp level thing or if he's legit.  

Scourton could have been top of class, but his inconsistent year has me scratching my head with him.  Mykel Williams fell far for me.  

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

I see a lot of people making the T-Mac to Drake London comp but...

IMO, Mike Evans is the comp.

Stats never tell a full story but my point is that Evans and T-Mac were DOMINANT college WRs. London was a good college WR that got over drafted in an overall way over-hyped WR draft class.

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're not going to be able to package 4ths and 5ths to get 2nd. The move I think we make is somewhere between #8 and #57. I don't think we sit there and watch 49 quality prospects come off the board with five picks in the 4th and 5th in our back pockets. I think we build a package with #57 to move up in the 2nd.

What can of deal can you come up with that would convince a team to help us move higher in the draft? 

I'd hate to lose our 3rd round pick in the process. There's no way I'm parting with a top 10 pick in the 3rd round with all of our defensive needs.

Do you swap 2nds and throw in a 4th and/or 5th?

And once again...if most of us value the higher choices, why do we think a team wants to give away high picks to move down to accumulate later round picks?

Edited 4 hours ago by SCO96

[PootieNunu]

If we know that this dude is going to be Mike Evans 2.0 then sure take him at 8. 

If he is anything less than that we need Defensive guys that can stop the run, we arent doing poo until we can stop teams from running all over us. 

[Mistuh Jones]

With those other guys gone, T Mac would become BPA in my opinion. Simple, and coincidentally fills a need. 

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

What can of deal can you come up with that would convince a team to help us move higher in the draft? 

I'd hate to lose our 3rd round pick in the process. There's no way I'm parting with a top 10 pick in the 3rd round with all of our defensive needs.

Do you swap 2nds and throw in a 4th and/or 5th?

And once again...if most of us value the higher choices, why do we think a team wants to give away high picks to move down to accumulate later round picks?

You can't look at it in a vacuum. Every team is going to have different draft boards laid out based on their prospect evaluations, needs, and the way they perceive prospects fitting into what they're looking for schematically. No team is looking to move down if they perceive great value on the board but oftentimes the perceived value on the board is different between teams and that's when you see trades happen. Maybe somewhere in the middle of the 2nd round there's a team that will view the board and not see great value there for them and they don't see a huge drop off in talent moving down to #57 to pick up an extra mid-round pick or two while on our board we have a prospect circled that just glaringly shouldn't still be on the board per our evaluation and prospect rankings. That's when trades happen. It's all situational.