3 Man Hall of Fame Class?!?!?!

[Candler Cat]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I've watched football for 45 years and I can honestly and objectively say luke is one of the best linebacker i have seen.   Travesty hw didn't get in.  

same here, he's top 10 and possibly top 5 all time, and that's saying something.

and LOL at all that time debating Eli, some fanboys on that committee

[kungfoodude]

15 minutes ago, Candler Cat said:

auto bump into the finals next year

Yeah, so he will get in just not the "first ballot." 

Also interesting that this revamped process was started by HOF members that thought the quality of HOF inductees was dropping.

Edited 11 hours ago by kungfoodude

[toldozer]

Luke was the best player at his position every year he played outside of his rookie year and was a top 3 defensive player about every year. Half of Mannings career he wasn't even a top 15 qb. Luke not being a first ballot is an absolute fuging dog poo shame

[SmokinwithWilly]

Cam is definitely never getting in now. I always thought he was borderline leaning more towards not than yes. Of course he still hasn't filed his retirement paperwork, so he's not even on the clock. With the new 80% rule it ain't happening. 

[tukafan21]

8 hours ago, CRA said:

with the 80% rule less will get in next year too I would guess.  As you said, Brees and Fitz will be givens....then too much vote splitting with the rest given how many there are. 

Not really, as the new rule is that you need 80% of the votes from that Final 7 vote to get in OR be in the Top 3 of voting.

So there will always be at minimum 3 players from the modern era voting put in every year, even if none get to the 80% mark.

But I do think we'll see very few 4 and 5 man classes in the future and it will be mostly 3 man classes, as all it takes is for 20 voters to be split down the middle on the other 4 players in a class to end up tanking all of their chances as you can only lose 10 votes.  So 10 vote for the 3 sure fire guys and then 2 of the other 4, another 10 vote the same 3 and then the other 2, all 4 of the others are now kept out.

It's sooooooooooo dumb, it doesn't mean they're not worthy of getting in, and every year they put in less than 5 just adds to the backlog and will end up being the reason worthy players never get in during their 20 year window of eligibility. 

[tukafan21]

The more I think about it, the more asinine the reasoning behind this change becomes to me.

They said this was done because they wanted it to be more exclusive, but in reality, while it of course does that because it means less people get in, what it really does is make it more illegitimate as there will be clear HOFers who now never get in.

Eli Manning for example, I'm not sure he ever gets in now, even though he should be.  I realize he was kinda  a marginal QB for much of his career, but when you are Top 10 all time in both yards and TDs when you retire and have 2 SBs with 2 SB MVP's, you're a HOFer, period.

But how is he ever going to get in with these new rules?

He'll never be a 100% of the vote kind of guy, and when put up against the Top 7 finalists, he'll likely always have 10 voters who feel leaving him off their final ballot to vote for the likes of say, a Torry Holt who was more dominant at their position than Eli ever was, is totally fair (and they won't be wrong).  The real problem is when you then also get 10 voters who leave Holt off their final ballot for Eli, which again would also be fair, it keeps both guys out that year and adds to the logjam and will only create more vote splitting every subsequent year.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by tukafan21

[outlaw4]

Of course the rules changes come in just in time to screw over two Panthers players. Luke not getting in right away, especially, is such a travesty.

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Of course the rules changes come in just in time to screw over two Panthers players. Luke not getting in right away, especially, is such a travesty.

Smith never getting in would be more of a travesty than Luke not being a 1st ballot, as much as he deserved that honor.

I have zero concern about Luke getting in, in fact I'd be shocked if he doesn't get in next year, but I'm genuinely worried this new change will keep Smith out, too much of a WR backlog with the current NFL game being so pass happy, it's going to get real tough for some of these WRs to ever get in.

[Basbear]

16 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

The more I think about it, the more asinine the reasoning behind this change becomes to me.

They said this was done because they wanted it to be more exclusive, but in reality, while it of course does that because it means less people get in, what it really does is make it more illegitimate as there will be clear HOFers who now never get in.

Eli Manning for example, I'm not sure he ever gets in now, even though he should be.  I realize he was kinda  a marginal QB for much of his career, but when you are Top 10 all time in both yards and TDs when you retire and have 2 SBs with 2 SB MVP's, you're a HOFer, period.

But how is he ever going to get in with these new rules?

He'll never be a 100% of the vote kind of guy, and when put up against the Top 7 finalists, he'll likely always have 10 voters who feel leaving him off their final ballot to vote for the likes of say, a Torry Holt who was more dominant at their position than Eli ever was, is totally fair (and they won't be wrong).  The real problem is when you then also get 10 voters who leave Holt off their final ballot for Eli, which again would also be fair, it keeps both guys out that year and adds to the logjam and will only create more vote splitting every subsequent year.

 

 

Best I heard is many of the current HOFers voiced there opinions about its too easy. Mr Media Deion Sanders has said - " Dhey are letting in everybody now". "It's no longer special.. etc"

So it will be longer wait for some and others now may not get in. 

I sorta see the point. Theres plenty of very very good players, but barely any HOFer. 

With the rules changes and records now being broken easier, I can see that WR logjam being butthurt before this is over. 

I also think more asst coaches need to be let in. 

It's a big mess, tho. I should care more, but Im at weird sports point in my life. 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Basbear

[tukafan21]

9 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

Best I heard is many of the current HOFers voiced there opinions about its too easy. Mr Media Deion Sanders has said - " Dhey are letting in everybody now". "It's no longer special.. etc"

So it will be longer wait for some and others now may not get in. 

I sorta see the point. Theres plenty of very very good players, but barely any HOFer. 

With the rules changes and records now being broken easier, I can see that WR logjam being butthurt before this is over. 

I also think more asst coaches need to be let in. 

It's a big mess, tho. I should care more, but Im at weird sports point in my life. 

 

 

In what way does the NFL let everyone in the HOF and that it's too easy to get in?

5 players get in every year (only looking at the modern era voting, not senior committee).

There are 7 different types of positions in the league if you group them together as QB, RB, WR/TE, OL, DL, LB, DB.  It's also nearly impossible to accurately compare the impact of an elite player at one position to another, QB's aside.  

How do you really compare the impact of a HOF caliber LB to a HOF caliber WR?

It was already the hardest HOF to get into because of those factors and they just made it sooooooooo much harder for players to get into in the future, to the point where players that even the voters would agree should be in the HOF, won't get in.

This isn't the Basketball HOF where there are tons of non worthy people who get in.  If you make it to the Final 7 of the HOF voting in the NFL, you're more than qualified and deserving to make it.  You shouldn't be kept out because 20 of the 49 voters were split between say putting Kuechly or Holt going into the HOF that year over the other, they both should be in.

Because it's also not even about being in just the Top 7 of voting, it means you can come in 4th and still not make it because you "only" got 39 of the 49 final votes as those other 10 voted for Holt instead who should have been in years ago, which is just insane.

Edited 3 hours ago by tukafan21