Rank the QB's

[Fiz]

What a really dumb post, excuses can be made for most play off games/super bowls. Including Brees who has been more of a pet than Manning, easily. Also comparing 'statistics' for past few years as you say, are about equal. Manning has still achieved more up to this point as a QB. past 3 years Brees average: 98.4 Manning: 97.6

P. Manning all-time stats:

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

2009 Indianapolis Colts 16 571 393 68.8 35.7 4,500 7.9 281.2 33 5.8 16 2.8 80T 59 8 10 74 99.9

2008 Indianapolis Colts 16 555 371 66.8 34.7 4,002 7.2 250.1 27 4.9 12 2.2 75 40 7 14 86 95.0

2007 Indianapolis Colts 16 515 337 65.4 32.2 4,040 7.8 252.5 31 6.0 14 2.7 73T 53 9 21 124 98.0

2006 Indianapolis Colts 16 557 362 65.0 34.8 4,397 7.9 274.8 31 5.6 9 1.6 68T 53 7 14 86 101.0

2005 Indianapolis Colts 16 453 305 67.3 28.3 3,747 8.3 234.2 28 6.2 10 2.2 80T 45 6 17 81 104.1

2004 Indianapolis Colts 16 497 336 67.6 31.1 4,557 9.2 284.8 49 9.9 10 2.0 80T 68 13 13 101 121.1

2003 Indianapolis Colts 16 566 379 67.0 35.4 4,267 7.5 266.7 29 5.1 10 1.8 79T 45 9 18 107 99.0

2002 Indianapolis Colts 16 591 392 66.3 36.9 4,200 7.1 262.5 27 4.6 19 3.2 69 51 11 23 145 88.8

2001 Indianapolis Colts 16 547 343 62.7 34.2 4,131 7.6 258.2 26 4.8 23 4.2 86T 55 11 29 232 84.1

2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 571 357 62.5 35.7 4,413 7.7 275.8 33 5.8 15 2.6 78T 51 8 20 131 94.7

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 533 331 62.1 33.3 4,135 7.8 258.4 26 4.9 15 2.8 80T 56 11 14 116 90.7

1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 575 326 56.7 35.9 3,739 6.5 233.7 26 4.5 28 4.9 78T 42 8 22 109 71.2

TOTAL 192 6,531 4,232 64.8 34.0 50,128 7.7 261.1 366 5.6 181 2.8 86 618 108 215 1,392 95.2

Brees:

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

2009 New Orleans Saints 15 514 363 70.6 34.3 4,388 8.5 292.5 34 6.6 11 2.1 75T 58 11 20 135 109.6

2008 New Orleans Saints 16 635 413 65.0 39.7 5,069 8.0 316.8 34 5.4 17 2.7 84T 66 16 13 92 96.2

2007 New Orleans Saints 16 652 440 67.5 40.8 4,423 6.8 276.4 28 4.3 18 2.8 58 47 8 16 109 89.4

2006 New Orleans Saints 16 554 356 64.3 34.6 4,418 8.0 276.1 26 4.7 11 2.0 86T 61 18 18 105 96.2

2005 San Diego Chargers 16 500 323 64.6 31.2 3,576 7.2 223.5 24 4.8 15 3.0 54 46 4 27 223 89.2

2004 San Diego Chargers 15 400 262 65.5 26.7 3,159 7.9 210.6 27 6.8 7 1.8 79T 40 9 18 131 104.8

2003 San Diego Chargers 11 356 205 57.6 32.4 2,108 5.9 191.6 11 3.1 15 4.2 68T 28 5 21 178 67.5

2002 San Diego Chargers 16 526 320 60.8 32.9 3,284 6.2 205.2 17 3.2 16 3.0 52T 40 4 24 180 76.9

2001 San Diego Chargers 1 27 15 55.6 27.0 221 8.2 221.0 1 3.7 0 0.0 40 4 1 2 12 94.8

TOTAL 122 4,164 2,697 64.8 34.1 30,646 7.4 251.2 202 4.9 110 2.6 86 390 76 159 1,165 91.9

Now if we compare the career stats instead of just a few years, Peyton wins easily. But what makes him much more better is the fact he has that rating and has played 11 seasons and Brees only 8 (more like 7) with much catching up to do. Also if you notice Manning average a bit more Attempts than Brees. Peyton has made the Colts a PURE passing team, which isn't completely true for the Saints. Will he surpass him in the future maybe, but Manning is still playing so probably not.

Lastly, no one is denying Brees is good but he is clearly not statistically better than Manning, sorry. He had a better year then Manning, it doesn't make him a better QB.

[Swarly]

What a really dumb post, excuses can be made for most play off games/super bowls. Including Brees who has been more of a pet than Manning, easily. Also comparing 'statistics' for past few years as you say, are about equal. Manning has still achieved more up to this point as a QB. past 3 years Brees average: 98.4 Manning: 97.6

Now if we compare the career stats instead of just a few years, Peyton wins easily. But what makes him much more better is the fact he has that rating and has played 11 seasons and Brees only 8 (more like 7) with much catching up to do. Also if you notice Manning average a bit more Attempts than Brees. Peyton has made the Colts a PURE passing team, which isn't completely true for the Saints. Will he surpass him in the future maybe, but Manning is still playing so probably not.

Lastly, no one is denying Brees is good but he is clearly not statistically better than Manning, sorry. He had a better year then Manning, it doesn't make him a better QB.

Why are you comparing careers? Of course Manning has had a better career statistically considering he's been in the league longer. This is about the better quarterback NOW. I said "Brees has been the best QB in the league statistically for the past few years" and you can't argue that. I don't know where you got more attempts for Manning(unless you're talking about career, which I obviously wasn't.) Brees has a lot more attempts.

Go ahead and look at your own stats.

Brees

TD's- 96

INT's- 46

Yards- 13880

Completion %- 70.6, 65.0, 67.5 = 67.7 over 3 years

Ratings- 109.6, 96.2, 89.4

Attempts- 1801 attempts

Manning

TD's- 91

INT's- 42

Yards- 12542

Completion %- 68.8, 66.8, 65.4 = 67 over 3 years

Ratings- 99.9, 95.0, 98.0

Attempts- 1641

I'll admit I was in the wrong talking about post season failures when neither have been stellar in the post season throughout their careers. What I'm trying to say is at the moment Brees is better than Manning. That's going by stats AND post season accomplishments.

[Swarly]

What a really dumb post, excuses can be made for most play off games/super bowls. Including Brees who has been more of a pet than Manning, easily. Also comparing 'statistics' for past few years as you say, are about equal. Manning has still achieved more up to this point as a QB. past 3 years Brees average: 98.4 Manning: 97.6

Now if we compare the career stats instead of just a few years, Peyton wins easily. But what makes him much more better is the fact he has that rating and has played 11 seasons and Brees only 8 (more like 7) with much catching up to do. Also if you notice Manning average a bit more Attempts than Brees. Peyton has made the Colts a PURE passing team, which isn't completely true for the Saints. Will he surpass him in the future maybe, but Manning is still playing so probably not.

Lastly, no one is denying Brees is good but he is clearly not statistically better than Manning, sorry. He had a better year then Manning, it doesn't make him a better QB.

Why are you comparing careers? Of course Manning has had a better career statistically considering he's been in the league longer. This is about the better quarterback NOW. I said "Brees has been the best QB in the league statistically for the past few years" and you can't argue that. I don't know where you got more attempts for Manning(unless you're talking about career, which I obviously wasn't.) Brees has a lot more attempts.

Take a look at your own stats bro. Over the past few years, Brees HAS outperformed Manning statistically. More attempts, better completion %, 5 more TD's, 4 more ints, better QB ratings in all but one year, more yards, and more superbowl victories.

I'll admit I was in the wrong talking about post season failures when neither have been stellar in the post season throughout their careers. What I'm trying to say is at the moment Brees is better than Manning. That's going by stats AND post season accomplishments.

[OneBadassCat]

Manning is the best.

[Raskle]

Didn't really read the rest of the responses, but there's no way we can rank Moore right now. Let the kid have an entire season under his belt before even considering his placement within the rest of the league.

[Lumps]

Fiz spamming another overly used (by him) photo as usual. The data wasn't meant for you, thanks.

I am just posting the statistics think whatever you want about them.

[jramsey4]

What a really dumb post, excuses can be made for most play off games/super bowls. Including Brees who has been more of a pet than Manning, easily. Also comparing 'statistics' for past few years as you say, are about equal. Manning has still achieved more up to this point as a QB. past 3 years Brees average: 98.4 Manning: 97.6

P. Manning all-time stats:

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

2009 Indianapolis Colts 16 571 393 68.8 35.7 4,500 7.9 281.2 33 5.8 16 2.8 80T 59 8 10 74 99.9

2008 Indianapolis Colts 16 555 371 66.8 34.7 4,002 7.2 250.1 27 4.9 12 2.2 75 40 7 14 86 95.0

2007 Indianapolis Colts 16 515 337 65.4 32.2 4,040 7.8 252.5 31 6.0 14 2.7 73T 53 9 21 124 98.0

2006 Indianapolis Colts 16 557 362 65.0 34.8 4,397 7.9 274.8 31 5.6 9 1.6 68T 53 7 14 86 101.0

2005 Indianapolis Colts 16 453 305 67.3 28.3 3,747 8.3 234.2 28 6.2 10 2.2 80T 45 6 17 81 104.1

2004 Indianapolis Colts 16 497 336 67.6 31.1 4,557 9.2 284.8 49 9.9 10 2.0 80T 68 13 13 101 121.1

2003 Indianapolis Colts 16 566 379 67.0 35.4 4,267 7.5 266.7 29 5.1 10 1.8 79T 45 9 18 107 99.0

2002 Indianapolis Colts 16 591 392 66.3 36.9 4,200 7.1 262.5 27 4.6 19 3.2 69 51 11 23 145 88.8

2001 Indianapolis Colts 16 547 343 62.7 34.2 4,131 7.6 258.2 26 4.8 23 4.2 86T 55 11 29 232 84.1

2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 571 357 62.5 35.7 4,413 7.7 275.8 33 5.8 15 2.6 78T 51 8 20 131 94.7

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 533 331 62.1 33.3 4,135 7.8 258.4 26 4.9 15 2.8 80T 56 11 14 116 90.7

1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 575 326 56.7 35.9 3,739 6.5 233.7 26 4.5 28 4.9 78T 42 8 22 109 71.2

TOTAL 192 6,531 4,232 64.8 34.0 50,128 7.7 261.1 366 5.6 181 2.8 86 618 108 215 1,392 95.2

Brees:

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

2009 New Orleans Saints 15 514 363 70.6 34.3 4,388 8.5 292.5 34 6.6 11 2.1 75T 58 11 20 135 109.6

2008 New Orleans Saints 16 635 413 65.0 39.7 5,069 8.0 316.8 34 5.4 17 2.7 84T 66 16 13 92 96.2

2007 New Orleans Saints 16 652 440 67.5 40.8 4,423 6.8 276.4 28 4.3 18 2.8 58 47 8 16 109 89.4

2006 New Orleans Saints 16 554 356 64.3 34.6 4,418 8.0 276.1 26 4.7 11 2.0 86T 61 18 18 105 96.2

2005 San Diego Chargers 16 500 323 64.6 31.2 3,576 7.2 223.5 24 4.8 15 3.0 54 46 4 27 223 89.2

2004 San Diego Chargers 15 400 262 65.5 26.7 3,159 7.9 210.6 27 6.8 7 1.8 79T 40 9 18 131 104.8

2003 San Diego Chargers 11 356 205 57.6 32.4 2,108 5.9 191.6 11 3.1 15 4.2 68T 28 5 21 178 67.5

2002 San Diego Chargers 16 526 320 60.8 32.9 3,284 6.2 205.2 17 3.2 16 3.0 52T 40 4 24 180 76.9

2001 San Diego Chargers 1 27 15 55.6 27.0 221 8.2 221.0 1 3.7 0 0.0 40 4 1 2 12 94.8

TOTAL 122 4,164 2,697 64.8 34.1 30,646 7.4 251.2 202 4.9 110 2.6 86 390 76 159 1,165 91.9

Now if we compare the career stats instead of just a few years, Peyton wins easily. But what makes him much more better is the fact he has that rating and has played 11 seasons and Brees only 8 (more like 7) with much catching up to do. Also if you notice Manning average a bit more Attempts than Brees. Peyton has made the Colts a PURE passing team, which isn't completely true for the Saints. Will he surpass him in the future maybe, but Manning is still playing so probably not.

Lastly, no one is denying Brees is good but he is clearly not statistically better than Manning, sorry. He had a better year then Manning, it doesn't make him a better QB.

Fiz spamming another overly used (by him) photo as usual. The data wasn't meant for you, thanks.

I am just posting the statistics think whatever you want about them.

Sounds more like an attack then a simple posting of stats.

I actually agree with Powers at the moment if I were picking between the 2 I would go with Brees. He has had less talent around him as opposed to Manning over his career at the Saints and has still went toe to toe on every statistically category.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Rivers and Schaub are NOT ahead of Ben. Stats aside, it's about winning. Ben wins. They don't.

Top 5

1. Brees

2. Manning

3. Favre

4. Roethlisberger

5. Rivers

Trent Dilfer is almost as good as Ben Roethlisberger.

[SmootsDaddy89]

Stats aside? Wouldn't that make Trent Dilfer a great QB?

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[AnalyzeThIs#28]

Uhhh, Drew Brees lost to the same Bears team that year in the playoffs led by Rex Grossman. Up until this year, his playoff record wasn't very good.

Brees is in his 10th season and finally has been recognized as an elite QB because of the superbowl win last year. But he shouldn't have been there in the first place. A.P. basically handed the game to the saints last year, and then Farve topped it all off with an interception in the closing minute of the game. P. Manning is the best "QB" hands down, and has been for many years. With Rivers/Brady right behind him. If Brees can do it again next year I might have a different opinion

[thefuzz]

I would pick Ben over ANYONE except Brees.

He had a 100.5 passer rating. Nuff said.

Bullshit. Obviously YOU don't watch much football.

Did you see the Steelers vs Packers game? Ben outplayed Rogers like CRAZY. He had 3 TDs and 503 passing yard with 0 INTs.

Did you watch the Steelers vs Chargers game? Ben outplayed Rivers, too. Ben had a passer rating of 128.9 with 333 yards, while Rivers had a mere 107.9 with 257 yards.

If we are going to talk about QB rating, lets talk about Rivers' 95.8. Second all time to Steve Young.

For their NFL career in the NFL (Ben has two more years starting)

Ben: 127-81 TD to INT

Rivers: 106-45 TD to INT

I wonder if over a two year period if Rivers can throw for 21 more TD's and 36 more INT's so that they can get it squared up?

And for the last quote, about the Steelers game.

Yes Ben did have more yards then Rivers, but one less touchdown, and it was the first game of the season that he had more TD's than INT's.

This is an opinion thread, and you have yours, it's just not shared by more than 1% of the population that isn't from Pennsylvania or Ohio.

[Captroop]

Best, in terms of all time, yeah, I give the nod to Peyton. But that's not what this thread is about; it's about ranking the QBs right now.

And right now, there is no QB I would want to lead my team more than Drew Brees. Manning has a better career, but I think at this moment, Brees is a better QB than Manning.

[Carolina Crazy V2]

I'll quote a previous post of mine.

I'll do this by tiers.

Tier 1: Best QB in NFL History

-Peyton Manning

Tier 2: Elite

-Drew Brees

-Tom Brady

-Aaron Rodgers

-Phillip Rivers

-Brett Favre

Tier 3: Pro-Bowler

-Carson Palmer

-Ben Roethlisberger

-Matt Schaub

-Joe Flacco

-Tony Romo

-Donavon McNabb

-Eli Manning

Tier 4: Talented

-Jay Cutler

-David Garrard

-Jason Campbell

-Vince Young

-Matt Moore

-Alex Smith

-Matt Ryan

-Matt Cassell

-Chad Henne

-Kyle Orton

Tier 5: Good Prospects

-Matthew Stafford

-Mark Sanchez

-Josh Freeman

-Trent Edwards

-Kevin Kolb

-Tarvaris Jackson

-Brady Quinn

-Matt Leinart

Tier 6: Time to Call it a Career

-Matt Hasselbeck

-Marc Bulger

-Jake Delhomme

-Daunte Culpepper

-Billy Volek

-Kerry Collins

-Chad Pennington

-David Carr

-Charlie Batch

-Todd Collins

-Charlie Frye

-J.T. O'Sullivan

-Mark Brunell

Tier 7: A Glimpse of Hope

-Ryan Fitzpatrick

-Derek Anderson

-Jamarcus Russell

-Bruce Gradkowski

-Michael Vick

-Josh McCown

-Byron Leftwich

-Shaun Hill

-Seneca Wallace

-Chris Redman

-Kellen Clemens

-Kyle Boller

-J.P. Losman

-Sage Rosenfels

Tier 8: Decent Prospects

-Drew Stanton

-Josh Johnson

-Pat White

-Matt Flynn

-Brodie Croyle

-Tyler Thigpen

-Brian Hoyer

-Keith Null

[jramsey4]

Why would anyone in there right mind take Ben over Manning? Set aside that Manning is light years ahead of Ben in talent and intelligence, would you really want that creep over Manning right now. Even if all these acquisitions are false he is obviously putting himself in these bad situations.