Rank the QB's

[God]

To rank them fairly, you'd have look at each QB exclusive of his current or past teammates, and you'd have to disregard any past accomplishments, and just look at what each individual brings to the field today.

That means looking at physical health, mental health, confidence, leadership, intelligence, accuracy, strength, and endurance, plus intangibles like stadium interaction, charisma

TOP TIER:

1) Brees - he can do the most, with the least, and INT's are rare, intelligent, durable

2) P. Manning - the best true QB General in the game, durable

ELITE:

3) McNabb - the most underrated QB in football history, not durable

4) Brady - has the most rings, intelligent, but his last season was bad for a reason

5) Roethlisberger - He's a douchebag, but he is durable, accurate, unpredictable, hard to tackle, persistent, and salvaged a weak team

PLAYMAKERS

6) Favre - durable, unpredictable, great charisma, exceptionally aggressive. too many INTs

7) Ryan - makes lame receivers look good. natural leader, intelligent. too many INTs

8) Rivers - played well with gifted team, natural leader

9) Rodgers - played well with gifted team, lacks charisma

10) Romo - durable, unpredictable, aggressive, but maturity and leadership problems

11) Palmer - Still capable (barely) of winning games offensively without the help of a running back?!?!? Impossible to fathom what could have been with a decent rush attack.

FRANCHISERS

12) E. Manning - Persistent, accurate, intelligent. Lacks aggression

13) Derek Anderson - terribly underrated, in Arizona will outdo his best season in Cleveland.

14) Flacco - Heavily dependent on the run game. natural leader, intelligent

14) Cutler - durable, accurate, unpredictable, charismatic, but immature.

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[thefuzz]

To rank them fairly, you'd have look at each QB exclusive of his current or past teammates, and you'd have to disregard any past accomplishments, and just look at what each individual brings to the field today.

That means looking at physical health, mental health, confidence, leadership, intelligence, accuracy, strength, and endurance, plus intangibles like stadium interaction, charisma

TOP TIER:

1) Brees - he can do the most, with the least, and INT's are rare, intelligent, durable

2) P. Manning - the best true QB General in the game, durable

ELITE:

3) McNabb - the most underrated QB in football history, not durable

4) Brady - has the most rings, intelligent, but his last season was bad for a reason

5) Roethlisberger - He's a douchebag, but he is durable, accurate, unpredictable, hard to tackle, persistent, and salvaged a weak team

PLAYMAKERS

6) Favre - durable, unpredictable, great charisma, exceptionally aggressive. too many INTs

7) Ryan - makes lame receivers look good. natural leader, intelligent. too many INTs

8) Rivers - played well with gifted team, natural leader

9) Rodgers - played well with gifted team, lacks charisma

10) Romo - durable, unpredictable, aggressive, but maturity and leadership problems

11) Palmer - Still capable (barely) of winning games offensively without the help of a running back?!?!? Impossible to fathom what could have been with a decent rush attack.

FRANCHISERS

12) E. Manning - Persistent, accurate, intelligent. Lacks aggression

13) Derek Anderson - terribly underrated, in Arizona will outdo his best season in Cleveland.

14) Flacco - Heavily dependent on the run game. natural leader, intelligent

14) Cutler - durable, accurate, unpredictable, charismatic, but immature.

Umm yea...this is about the worst post in this otherwise bad thread.

Anyone who puts McNabb and Ryan, much less Ben, over Rodgers and Rivers obviously does not watch very much football.

[X-Clown]

Manning = crumbles under pressure, average at best post season QB. I only say average because he got a ring, but let's be real for a second. It was against Rex 'f**k it I'm goin' deep' Grossman lolz.

Uhhh, Drew Brees lost to the same Bears team that year in the playoffs led by Rex Grossman. Up until this year, his playoff record wasn't very good.

[Swarly]

Uhhh, Drew Brees lost to the same Bears team that year in the playoffs led by Rex Grossman. Up until this year, his playoff record wasn't very good.

I judge players off how they played recently. Brees > Manning recently, and that's all that matters.

Brees also hasn't had the same stacked team as Manning has had year after year after year. I just hate all the Peyton nuthugging. Post season play is what separates the great from the elite.

Make no mistake, PManning is a regular season champion, but has always been average at best in the post season. I could bring up a bunch of stats showing just how bad he is when it matters most, but I don't think it's worth arguing about 2 players that aren't even on our team. So I'll just leave it at: my opinion is that Brees is a better quarterback than Manning.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

Erm.. what??

[Razzy]

It's difficult to place Moore right now. Based on how he has played so far, I'd put him somewhere in the mid-lower of the league just because he still has to prove himself to me.. If he plays this season the way he did the last few games, he will be a top 10 QB.

And Smitty, if each QB has 5 points each it's going to take like 150 posts to narrow it down to two.

[X-Clown]

So I'll just leave it at: my opinion is that Brees is a better quarterback than Manning.

You can hate Peyton all you want, have your opinion about Brees being better, and that's fine - but don't give me a terrible justification of "Uhhh, that Super Bowl trophy doesn't count because it was against Grossman and the Bears" BS, when Brees lost to that same team the same year.

[Darth Bobo]

Umm yea...this is about the worst post in this otherwise bad thread.

Anyone who puts McNabb and Ryan, much less Ben, over Rodgers and Rivers obviously does not watch very much football.

Its an opinion thread. You don't like my opinion, and I don't like yours either.

[Al Bundy]

If you could pick who you would want as your QB for a team that you root for or own would you choose Ben over Rivers?

I would pick Ben over ANYONE except Brees.

When Ben's D struggled a bit last year, how did he do?

He had a 100.5 passer rating. Nuff said.

...much less Ben, over Rodgers and Rivers obviously does not watch very much football.

Bullshit. Obviously YOU don't watch much football.

Did you see the Steelers vs Packers game? Ben outplayed Rogers like CRAZY. He had 3 TDs and 503 passing yard with 0 INTs.

Did you watch the Steelers vs Chargers game? Ben outplayed Rivers, too. Ben had a passer rating of 128.9 with 333 yards, while Rivers had a mere 107.9 with 257 yards.

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

It's difficult to place Moore right now. Based on how he has played so far, I'd put him somewhere in the mid-lower of the league just because he still has to prove himself to me.. If he plays this season the way he did the last few games, he will be a top 10 QB.

And Smitty, if each QB has 5 points each it's going to take like 150 posts to narrow it down to two.

Yes it is. But somebody asked for it and I'm trying to make my self useful.

[Woodcookedbbq]

I think you guys need to give Carson Palmer more credit.

[Fiz]

I think you guys need to give Carson Palmer more credit.

palmer needs TJ surgery and refuses to get it.

he's going to flame out horribly and will go down as one of the greatest "what could have beens" in nfl history.

[Lumps]

how is PManning better than Brees? Brees has been the best QB in the league statistically for the past few years, and would have gotten an MVP if Manning wasn't the NFL's pet.

Manning = crumbles under pressure, average at best post season QB. I only say average because he got a ring, but let's be real for a second. It was against Rex 'f**k it I'm goin' deep' Grossman lolz.

Just because you dislike the team doesn't mean you have to deny how good he is.

What a really dumb post, excuses can be made for most play off games/super bowls. Including Brees who has been more of a pet than Manning, easily. Also comparing 'statistics' for past few years as you say, are about equal. Manning has still achieved more up to this point as a QB. past 3 years Brees average: 98.4 Manning: 97.6

P. Manning all-time stats:

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

2009 Indianapolis Colts 16 571 393 68.8 35.7 4,500 7.9 281.2 33 5.8 16 2.8 80T 59 8 10 74 99.9

2008 Indianapolis Colts 16 555 371 66.8 34.7 4,002 7.2 250.1 27 4.9 12 2.2 75 40 7 14 86 95.0

2007 Indianapolis Colts 16 515 337 65.4 32.2 4,040 7.8 252.5 31 6.0 14 2.7 73T 53 9 21 124 98.0

2006 Indianapolis Colts 16 557 362 65.0 34.8 4,397 7.9 274.8 31 5.6 9 1.6 68T 53 7 14 86 101.0

2005 Indianapolis Colts 16 453 305 67.3 28.3 3,747 8.3 234.2 28 6.2 10 2.2 80T 45 6 17 81 104.1

2004 Indianapolis Colts 16 497 336 67.6 31.1 4,557 9.2 284.8 49 9.9 10 2.0 80T 68 13 13 101 121.1

2003 Indianapolis Colts 16 566 379 67.0 35.4 4,267 7.5 266.7 29 5.1 10 1.8 79T 45 9 18 107 99.0

2002 Indianapolis Colts 16 591 392 66.3 36.9 4,200 7.1 262.5 27 4.6 19 3.2 69 51 11 23 145 88.8

2001 Indianapolis Colts 16 547 343 62.7 34.2 4,131 7.6 258.2 26 4.8 23 4.2 86T 55 11 29 232 84.1

2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 571 357 62.5 35.7 4,413 7.7 275.8 33 5.8 15 2.6 78T 51 8 20 131 94.7

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 533 331 62.1 33.3 4,135 7.8 258.4 26 4.9 15 2.8 80T 56 11 14 116 90.7

1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 575 326 56.7 35.9 3,739 6.5 233.7 26 4.5 28 4.9 78T 42 8 22 109 71.2

TOTAL 192 6,531 4,232 64.8 34.0 50,128 7.7 261.1 366 5.6 181 2.8 86 618 108 215 1,392 95.2

Brees:

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

2009 New Orleans Saints 15 514 363 70.6 34.3 4,388 8.5 292.5 34 6.6 11 2.1 75T 58 11 20 135 109.6

2008 New Orleans Saints 16 635 413 65.0 39.7 5,069 8.0 316.8 34 5.4 17 2.7 84T 66 16 13 92 96.2

2007 New Orleans Saints 16 652 440 67.5 40.8 4,423 6.8 276.4 28 4.3 18 2.8 58 47 8 16 109 89.4

2006 New Orleans Saints 16 554 356 64.3 34.6 4,418 8.0 276.1 26 4.7 11 2.0 86T 61 18 18 105 96.2

2005 San Diego Chargers 16 500 323 64.6 31.2 3,576 7.2 223.5 24 4.8 15 3.0 54 46 4 27 223 89.2

2004 San Diego Chargers 15 400 262 65.5 26.7 3,159 7.9 210.6 27 6.8 7 1.8 79T 40 9 18 131 104.8

2003 San Diego Chargers 11 356 205 57.6 32.4 2,108 5.9 191.6 11 3.1 15 4.2 68T 28 5 21 178 67.5

2002 San Diego Chargers 16 526 320 60.8 32.9 3,284 6.2 205.2 17 3.2 16 3.0 52T 40 4 24 180 76.9

2001 San Diego Chargers 1 27 15 55.6 27.0 221 8.2 221.0 1 3.7 0 0.0 40 4 1 2 12 94.8

TOTAL 122 4,164 2,697 64.8 34.1 30,646 7.4 251.2 202 4.9 110 2.6 86 390 76 159 1,165 91.9

Now if we compare the career stats instead of just a few years, Peyton wins easily. But what makes him much more better is the fact he has that rating and has played 11 seasons and Brees only 8 (more like 7) with much catching up to do. Also if you notice Manning average a bit more Attempts than Brees. Peyton has made the Colts a PURE passing team, which isn't completely true for the Saints. Will he surpass him in the future maybe, but Manning is still playing so probably not.

Lastly, no one is denying Brees is good but he is clearly not statistically better than Manning, sorry. He had a better year then Manning, it doesn't make him a better QB.

[cdandi1]

kp, drew brees has way more to work with than manning, especially recently. The saints have a running game and more playmakers. The only reason anyone knows any of the colts names, (outside the few big name guys-wayne, clark) is peyton manning. You let these guys switch places, and the saints would be unstoppable. garcon and collie might not make the local evening news any other place. colts had zero run game the past few years, even the year they won the super bowl. Everyone gives credit to brees for his super bowl, thats great...but manning has one too..+ 4 mvps.