Something I saw in the 2020 Draft for Funsies

[SaltAndPepper]

 

oh what could have been...

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

derrick brown is the only player from that draft still on the panthers

[Bear Hands]

Not pick 53? Hehe

[Basbear]

 

On 1/31/2025 at 10:15 PM, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

derrick brown is the only player from that draft still on the panthers

 

It's very easy to figure out why this Panthers team has expansion level talent, look at the last 5 drafts

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4th round RB that some fraud coachs' wife had the idea to draft is the best player in the last 5 years......

Fitterererererr was herniay without the 1st round gold, failed just as bad in Free agency ( minus on luvu...)

 

I've been complaining for the past couple years that Panthers need to fire any or all scouts, cause the facts are they are the worse group in the league. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Yeah, when you draft poorly for multiple years it's hard to build anything. It even caught up to the Pats once Brady was gone and quality vets were no longer willing to sign at a discount to chase a ring. All those years of bad drafting got exposed pretty quickly.

[mrcompletely11]

11 hours ago, Basbear said:

 

 

It's very easy to figure out why this Panthers team has expansion level talent, look at the last 5 drafts

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4th round RB that some fraud coachs' wife had the idea to draft is the best player in the last 5 years......

Fitterererererr was herniay without the 1st round gold, failed just as bad in Free agency ( minus on luvu...)

 

I've been complaining for the past couple years that Panthers need to fire any or all scouts, cause the facts are they are the worse group in the league. 

what if I told you we fired the guy responsible but then hired his best friend right hand man?  Would you believe it?

[SCO96]

28 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

what if I told you we fired the guy responsible but then hired his best friend right hand man?  Would you believe it?

Just because Morgan was his "right hand man" doesn't mean he's destined to be a bad GM. 

1) Morgan is a former NFL player who excelled in the league. He has an understanding of a locker room and team chemistry that Scott F could never have.

2) The final decisions rests with the GM, not the assistant GM. JD Vance may be out VP, but I think most of us realize that the D. Trump going to have the final say on what happens in the executive branch.

3) Scott and Matt seemed obsessed with the RAS/physical attributes of their draftees. Several times they passed over players who could have helped us immediately to draft someone with a physical upside. Sometimes you just need to draft the guy you need or take the best player on the board. the very fact that Morgan said he wanted to draft some "DAWGS" shows that his approach to the draft is going to be different from Fitz. I think Scott wanted to show off how smart he was by trying to make "shrewd deals" to move up and down the draft board. Morgan would have never moved down twice from the 30's in 2021 when we needed O-lineman to #58 to draft Terrace Marshall.

[Waldo]

30 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Just because Morgan was his "right hand man" doesn't mean he's destined to be a bad GM. 

1) Morgan is a former NFL player who excelled in the league. He has an understanding of a locker room and team chemistry that Scott F could never have.

2) The final decisions rests with the GM, not the assistant GM. JD Vance may be out VP, but I think most of us realize that the D. Trump going to have the final say on what happens in the executive branch.

3) Scott and Matt seemed obsessed with the RAS/physical attributes of their draftees. Several times they passed over players who could have helped us immediately to draft someone with a physical upside. Sometimes you just need to draft the guy you need or take the best player on the board. the very fact that Morgan said he wanted to draft some "DAWGS" shows that his approach to the draft is going to be different from Fitz. I think Scott wanted to show off how smart he was by trying to make "shrewd deals" to move up and down the draft board. Morgan would have never moved down twice from the 30's in 2021 when we needed O-lineman to #58 to draft Terrace Marshall.

Morgan is a bad GM and there were people calling it before he proved it. Also he and Frittz worked hand in hand, friends at work and away. Even with the final responsibilities falling on Fritz as the GM, Morgan's work as an AGM was enough to pass on his promotion.

The guy traded into the first 1 spot for a WR that wasn't worth a 2nd and then took a RB who will be in year 3 while still hoping to show meaningful playing time. The team also needs to purge free agents he was point on brining in at both positions here the last 2 years.

Morgan is a suport guy, not a mastermind. He simply lacks the ability to be a top self GM. It was always obvious but fans get caught up in his player history and gave him way too much slack for the quality of work he did since he left Buffalo. Just like with Frittz, people here called it what it looked like when they were hired and then they proved it. Hell, Morgan is still obsessed with Dawgs lol. Now they have to restructure last years big, overpaid free agent signings just to field a team in 2025. Morgan isn't the same as Fritz in every way but they both suck regardless of any positives they could scrape together.

Edited 4 hours ago by Waldo

[SCO96]

Morgan may indeed turn out to be a bad GM. But, I'm not gonna bail on him after one season.

The 2024 Panthers were much better than the 2023 edition. It was Morgan who hired Canales, a clear improvement over out previous coaches. This team played hard down the stretch and nearly beat 3 playoff teams (KC, TB, Philly) in 3 consecutive weeks...and  2 of those are in the SB this year. We improved our win total despite having one of the least talented rosters from top to bottom in the NFL.

The draft wasn't great (I didn't like the J. Brooks pick either), but we acquired 3 players who should be better in 2025 (Legette, Wallace, and Sanders). We are arguably a center away from having a top 15...if not top 10 O-line in the league. A solid defensive draft in 2025 could put this team into playoff contention for the remainder of the decade.

I'm not gauging his 2024 season by the draft alone. I'm looking at win total, our ability to compete week in and week out, FA acquisitions, UDFA's, and our potential to improve in 2025 (we have 10 draft picks, including a 2nd rounder that we lost under Scott F.) 

Morgan could turn out to be a trash GM, but it's too early to write him off. I think the 2025 draft will be critical in assessing his tenure as GM.

Edited 3 hours ago by SCO96

[mrcompletely11]

35 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Morgan may indeed turn out to be a bad GM. But, I'm not gonna bail on him after one season.

The 2024 Panthers were much better than the 2023 edition. It was Morgan who hired Canales, a clear improvement over out previous coaches. This team played hard down the stretch and nearly beat 3 playoff teams (KC, TB, Philly) in 3 consecutive weeks...and  2 of those are in the SB this year. We improved our win total despite having one of the least talented rosters from top to bottom in the NFL.

The draft wasn't great (I didn't like the J. Brooks pick either), but we acquired 3 players who should be better in 2025 (Legette, Wallace, and Sanders). We are arguably a center away from having a top 15...if not top 10 O-line in the league. A solid defensive draft in 2025 could put this team into playoff contention for the remainder of the decade.

I'm not gauging his 2024 season by the draft alone. I'm looking at win total, our ability to compete week in and week out, FA acquisitions, UDFA's, and our potential to improve in 2025 (we have 10 draft picks, including a 2nd rounder that we lost under Scott F.) 

Morgan could turn out to be a trash GM, but it's too early to write him off. I think the 2025 draft will be critical in assessing his tenure as GM.

I guess its relative to what you consider "much better" 

 

5 wins

Offense slightly improved

Defense fell off the cliff

 

Nobody is writing morgan off, we are simply looking at his previous and past body of work and it isnt giving anyone the warm and fuzzies.  Sure he could turn things around with a good draft but we havent had a good draft in charlotte in years.  Drafting has never been a strong suit for whatever reason for this franchise

Edited 2 hours ago by mrcompletely11

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 hours ago, SCO96 said:

Just because Morgan was his "right hand man" doesn't mean he's destined to be a bad GM. 

1) Morgan is a former NFL player who excelled in the league. He has an understanding of a locker room and team chemistry that Scott F could never have.

2) The final decisions rests with the GM, not the assistant GM. JD Vance may be out VP, but I think most of us realize that the D. Trump going to have the final say on what happens in the executive branch.

3) Scott and Matt seemed obsessed with the RAS/physical attributes of their draftees. Several times they passed over players who could have helped us immediately to draft someone with a physical upside. Sometimes you just need to draft the guy you need or take the best player on the board. the very fact that Morgan said he wanted to draft some "DAWGS" shows that his approach to the draft is going to be different from Fitz. I think Scott wanted to show off how smart he was by trying to make "shrewd deals" to move up and down the draft board. Morgan would have never moved down twice from the 30's in 2021 when we needed O-lineman to #58 to draft Terrace Marshall.

Dan has his "Dawgs."

Fitts had his "RAS"

Rhule was "OOU."

Nippleshorts had his "Hog Mollies"

Marty has his "Gut"

I don't care what we call it anymore. How about we just draft some players that can actually play in the NFL. Can they pass the NFL minimum basic skills for their position before we draft them? I feel like half the players that we take wouldn't have even been a consideration if we had just looked at basic skills like footwork, catching, and tackling. 

[SCO96]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Drafting has never been a strong suit for whatever reason for this franchise

On this you and I are in complete agreement.

I don't know if:

1) we have bad scouts that mislead the front office, or

2) a bad front office that ignores good scouting.

3) a bad front office and bad scouting.

I don't think any of us would be offended if Tepper decided to hire an entirely new team of scouts going forward.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, SCO96 said:

On this you and I are in complete agreement.

I don't know if:

1) we have bad scouts that mislead the front office, or

2) a bad front office that ignores good scouting.

3) a bad front office and bad scouting.

I don't think any of us would be offended if Tepper decided to hire an entirely new team of scouts going forward.

Probably 3 at this point but overall we tend to try and get too cute with the draft and we simply dont draft football players.  Trading up for Brooks was just so unnecessary and thats a prime example of why our roster is bare.  Thats 4 fuging draft picks that were completely blown with no production.  That hurts