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[pantherclaw]

Trevor has been exactly what I expected from him. He just doesn't have a passion for the game.  

He can get better, although i doubt he ever delops to be the QB he has the potential of being. 

[CRA]

21 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Trevor has been exactly what I expected from him. He just doesn't have a passion for the game.  

He can get better, although i doubt he ever delops to be the QB he has the potential of being. 

Trevor also has a lot of injuries creeping on him the last 2 years.   Wouldn’t be surprised if he takes the intentional short career route of his own choosing.  Seeing that more and more.   He is a smart kid and from the jump he sees beyond football. 

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Trevor had the generational resume though.  3 seasons, 3 undefeated regular seasons.  Only 2 Ls that came in the playoffs.  And he checked every physical box. 

but he wasn’t as good as Watson at Clemson. 

Clemson had a much superior lineup to virtually any team they played they played in the regular season.  Having a lineup that good makes a good qb look great, and a below average qb look average.  In Lawrence's last season, Uiagalelei went 1-1 and scored 40 in a loss to Notre Dame while Lawrence was out with injury.  

[Jay Roosevelt]

Jags ownership watching the Panthers defense getting drug up and down the field all season like...

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Clemson had a much superior lineup to virtually any team they played they played in the regular season.  Having a lineup that good makes a good qb look great, and a below average qb look average.  In Lawrence's last season, Uiagalelei went 1-1 and scored 40 in a loss to Notre Dame while Lawrence was out with injury.  

True.  But Trevor was still that dude largely in the college playoff.  And every team they saw minus Notre Dame was more talented. 

his resume….IMO is the best college resume of the last decade.  so you take that plus his tools and I get the generational talk.

But as I said, he wasn’t even the best Clemson QB of that decade.  Resume and play aren’t the same things 

 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Trevor had the generational resume though.  3 seasons, 3 undefeated regular seasons.  Only 2 Ls that came in the playoffs.  And he checked every physical box. 

but he wasn’t as good as Watson at Clemson. 

The games didn't always match that. I would say he also benefitted from a weak ACC and a very strong overall Clemson team.

Not to say he wasn't clearly one of the best QB's in college but the hype was never the reality. It really hasn't ever been since high school.

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The games didn't always match that. I would say he also benefitted from a weak ACC and a very strong overall Clemson team.

Not to say he wasn't clearly one of the best QB's in college but the hype was never the reality. It really hasn't ever been since high school.

Yeah, as I said…on paper, you can’t really come up with a QB with a better resume in all of college football the last 10 years and then some.  

And at the same time, Trevor wasn’t even the best actual QB at Clemson during that span. 

You deep dive into say his freshamn year which ended with Trevor beating that Bama team the media was going to crown the greatest team of all time when they won……and Clemson had to insert Kelly Bryant into games that year to basically get the win for a streaky Trevor.  Trevor was never Luck in reality.  He always had the dumb plays mixed in his entire career. 

 

 

[Davidson Deac II]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The games didn't always match that. I would say he also benefitted from a weak ACC and a very strong overall Clemson team.

Not to say he wasn't clearly one of the best QB's in college but the hype was never the reality. It really hasn't ever been since high school.

I agree.  I think a big part of the problem though is that the number of people who be generational (elite) qb's in the NFL is exceedingly small and its difficult to accurately judge that ability because, among other things, the talent disparity in teams.  Arguably the two best qb's in the NFL right now (Allen and Mahomes), while certainly well known, weren't called generational talents in college.  If Mahomes had played for Alabama, he would have come into the NFL with more hype than Lawrence.  But he played for Texas Tech and got drafted after Mitch Trubiski.  

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I agree.  I think a big part of the problem though is that the number of people who be generational (elite) qb's in the NFL is exceedingly small and its difficult to accurately judge that ability because, among other things, the talent disparity in teams.  Arguably the two best qb's in the NFL right now (Allen and Mahomes), while certainly well known, weren't called generational talents in college.  If Mahomes had played for Alabama, he would have come into the NFL with more hype than Lawrence.  But he played for Texas Tech and got drafted after Mitch Trubiski.  

Tom Brady and Josh Allen could have played for Bama and no one could have predicted what he would have become.   Think they just had a longer development window that was going to be in play. 

Mahomes? Who knows.  I could see him being the GOAT prospect at Bama and I also could see Saban hating Mahomes keeping him on the sideline for another prospect.  So much of what makes Mahomes is risky/dumb play that just seems to always work out….and a coach like Saban would have hated that lol.  

 

[Panthro]

Do we get comp picks?

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Trevor also has a lot of injuries creeping on him the last 2 years.   Wouldn’t be surprised if he takes the intentional short career route of his own choosing.  Seeing that more and more.   He is a smart kid and from the jump he sees beyond football. 

Yeah, his mind was beyond football before he was even drafted. So this is agree with. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

The best players typically have some kind of chip on their shoulder driving continual improvement.  Tom Brady was like that.  Trevor Lawrence has been on cruise control since his first year at Clemson.

[ClawOn]

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

True. And I mean, Lawrence hasn't been BAD like Darnold was. He's just been blandly meh.

Always seemed like a dude that has the talent but just doesn't love football. 

[Shotgun]

4 hours ago, ClawOn said:

Always seemed like a dude that has the talent but just doesn't love football. 

Getting drafted by the jags will do that to a person.