Morgan at the Shrine Bowl, talks about looking for players who are passionate (dawgs)

[PootieNunu]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

So the Panthers will have to ask themselves, "Would I take the Commanders' first and second and the 2026 second rounder for our first rounder?" 

Hell NO, Not moving from the 8th pick to 29th for two 2nds. Especially with one of those 2nds being next season. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

My bad. I've seen top 50 ranks with anywhere from 3 to 5 OT in them. Who knows what desperation will force a team to do in this draft. I feel confident that there are 3 nfl capable tackles in the top 50. Beyond that it's pure luck. There's some potential good guards among them though. 

I have not researched them because I have focused on Defense and WR, but what I have seen when I peeked (I would like a swing T) is not overwhelming.

[Jackie Lee]

54 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Hell NO, Not moving from the 8th pick to 29th for two 2nds. Especially with one of those 2nds being next season. 

Yeah fug that. If we're moving back in the 1st to grab an extra 2nd it needs to be in the 40's, not even further behind our Rams pick at 57 lol. Those are basically 3rd rounders

[MHS831]

53 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Hell NO, Not moving from the 8th pick to 29th for two 2nds. Especially with one of those 2nds being next season. 

I like to look at the draft in plateaus.  Where does the talent level in your areas of need drop?  Aside from QBs who are not really top 10 talents if you take the position and need away, I think Hunter, Graham, Carter, Jeanty and Johnson are on that top level.  Then there is a drop that goes through 20 or so.  29, in my mind, would be on the third level.  Gettlemen said, "2 dimes is worth less than a quarter."  So that is how I look at it--but if you have needs for 3 players....

Taking Graham with the first pick is probably the most sensible pick.  However, if he is not there, and you have Jeanty, Johnson, and TMac--do you take Johnson?  I think I would-but if you trade back and get a player like Kenneth Grant, Mike Green, or Shemar Stewart, is the difference between one of these players and Graham, for example, worth more than a second rounder this season and next season?  

[MHS831]

9 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Yeah fug that. If we're moving back in the 1st to grab an extra 2nd it needs to be in the 40's, not even further behind our Rams pick at 57 lol. Those are basically 3rd rounders

I used that example because it describes a pretty even trade--using the Johnson Trade Chart--just for hypothetical discussion.   I probably, however, would not do it--if they need a T that bad, they can bid high.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

The TE from Miami was turning heads as well.  And there is the Hback type TE from Ga Tech (Jackson Hawes) who is a "dawg" and will be a stud in the NFL. 

[Basbear]

22 hours ago, Icege said:

I am so for trading back and being in range to land Green and/or Ezeiruaku.

 

Bro, I think green left the shrine and went home.....not for bad reasons, but some team draftearly must have asked him/agent to do use after a promised draft spot by GM. 

[Basbear]

22 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

No. We don't pick again till the bottom of the second round. Good chance anybody close to greens talent will be all gone by then. We need blue chippers on defense not just depth, especially pass rush. 

me- 

[PootieNunu]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I like to look at the draft in plateaus.  Where does the talent level in your areas of need drop?  Aside from QBs who are not really top 10 talents if you take the position and need away, I think Hunter, Graham, Carter, Jeanty and Johnson are on that top level.  Then there is a drop that goes through 20 or so.  29, in my mind, would be on the third level.  Gettlemen said, "2 dimes is worth less than a quarter."  So that is how I look at it--but if you have needs for 3 players....

Taking Graham with the first pick is probably the most sensible pick.  However, if he is not there, and you have Jeanty, Johnson, and TMac--do you take Johnson?  I think I would-but if you trade back and get a player like Kenneth Grant, Mike Green, or Shemar Stewart, is the difference between one of these players and Graham, for example, worth more than a second rounder this season and next season?  

We have no idea until they lace up in the NFL.....

If I am in charge of that trade im going to need next years first for them to move up and get a guy to help them get that much closer to a super bowl next season or they can kick rocks. I personally am not doing it for two 2nds with one being a future pick.

[Basbear]

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I think, at 8, there will be a player someone covets.  These top teams have few needs, so they might package a first and second and maybe a future pick to move up to take a player they covet.  Gonna think out loud here for a second--

Offensive tackle--I went to a site (randomly) that lists team needs in prioritized order. ELEVEN teams list OT as a priority.  (Ravens, Browns, Bears, Jets, Niners, Seahawks, Bucs, Chiefs, Packers, Commanders, Patriots, Rams).  IMO there are 2 elite OT prospects and probably 4 to 5 with first round grades.

I see Sanders and Ward (QB), Hunter (CB), Carter (Edge) and Johnson (CB) going in the top 7--Graham or TMac are probably likely to go next.  The Jets pick 7 and will not be picking a QB.  They will probably take OT Will Campbell.  At that time, there is one elite OT left and ELEVEN teams that need an OT.  Granted, some will address this need in free agency, but how many starting OTs are available? 

Now, consider you are the Chiefs, Seahawks, Packers, Bucs, or Ravens.  They have little to no cap space, so grabbing a stud OT in free agency is unlikely and there are not any.  You also realize that 10 or so picking before you need an OT.  Once the Jets take an OT---the Panther phones will be ringing--teams will target Kelvin Banks, OT Texas.  If they wait, they could hope that Josh Simmons (Ohio State) falls to them, but they are unlikely to wait for the unlikely. 

So the Panthers will have to ask themselves, "Would I take the Commanders' first and second and the 2026 second rounder for our first rounder?" 

We do not have a second rounder in 2026.  We'd pick 29th and 61st in 2025.  That would give the Panthers 3 picks in the first 61 picks.  So who might be there?

Let's say that Graham (DE Michigan) is available at #8.  Most say "No brainer."  But the Phone rings offering you two second rounders to move back 21 spots in round 1.  You have a lot of needs.  What could you get?

Estimates, based on Player Rankings:

• 27. Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon
• 57. (from Rams--not part of trade)  Donovan Ezeiruaku, Edge, Boston College
• 61. Maxwell Hairston, CB Kentucky (assuming Mike Jackson leaves--Hairston has been eye opening at the SR Bowl practices)

So basically, to give up on Graham, you get a good CB and a good DT and a future second rounder in a draft in which you had no second round.

 

 

Im been talking OT for weeks about being the key for that 8th pick. 

In fact I would not be totally against using it on one, but much prefer a close by team offer up a above normal package to draft a OT....

[Icege]

29 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

Bro, I think green left the shrine and went home.....not for bad reasons, but some team draftearly must have asked him/agent to do use after a promised draft spot by GM. 

Easily one of the first five edge rushers off the board!

Possibly one of the first three...

[MHS831]

41 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

We have no idea until they lace up in the NFL.....

If I am in charge of that trade im going to need next years first for them to move up and get a guy to help them get that much closer to a super bowl next season or they can kick rocks. I personally am not doing it for two 2nds with one being a future pick.

Personally, I think this is a weird draft. I think the top is overrated and there are some gems that are not highly rated right now. Finding them is the challenge, and if you trade back, you better know where they are.  But, yeah, we have no definitive idea until they lace them up. 

Who would you select if Carter, Hunter, Graham, T-Mac, and Johnson were gone? 

[MHS831]

Morgan is going to trade, if last year is any indication, and if you listen to his comments.  I will be watching the draft with my Tylenol in hand and my Depends secured properly.