Daniel Jeremiah's Mock Draft 1.0

[carolinanimal]

20 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

You also are double and triple teamed on just about every snap as well, which he was, all year long.  Which again, if you've actually watched enough full games of his this year (which yes, would include the plays where he's literally taken out of the play by a full on double/triple coverage off the snap), then you'd know saying he was the "1st, 2nd, and 3rd" option was actually a testament to the stats he put up this year, not the reason he did.  And that's not even taking into account how much of a mess the team/offense was as a whole with the new coaching staff this year either.

Look, I've said this before, if people don't want to take him because they prefer a defensive player, so be it.  If you don't want to take him because you'd rather trade back for additional assets, okay that's your prerogative.  If you want to overspend to try and sign Higgins to solve our #1 WR problem and thus wouldn't want to draft him, I'd disagree but that's fair.

It's when people just talk nonsense about his game when they clearly haven't watched his full body of work that I take issue with and can't go without calling it out.

You're implying here that his stats might be inflated because he was the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option on the team.

Well, what about last year when we had another WR who had 90 catches for 850 yards and 13 TDs on the team and was then drafted by the 49ers?

When T-Mac also had 90 catches for 1,402 yards, and 10 TDs himself.

So are those numbers also inflated, but now because there was another NFL quality WR on the field and thus he got more opportunities to be open?

You can't have it both ways, he's put up elite stats in back to back years, once as the only option and once as part of a two headed WR monster, and as I showed you, he didn't do it just beating up on bad teams like XL kinda did.

I'm not saying T-Mac should be viewed as any type of prospect based on his stats, but short of having the full tape to his career, knowing how to edit videos together, and willing to spend the time to actually cut up a tape of him only vs ranked opponents, pulling up his stats in those games is the easiest/only way to respond to your moronic statement.

 

i honestly would prefer tmac in the first and all other picks and free agency be defense. he will help you as a wr now, way before a dt or de will this year. People think the draft will fix the defense this year...it wont. it will take at least 2 years for defensive draft picks to make a difference. 

[Aussie Tank]

There's 3 absolutes in life death,taxes and Tuka laying it all on the line for TMac 

[tukafan21]

9 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

You can say whatever you need to say without writing a novel.  You are biased and it shows

So basically every "expert" out there has him as a Top 10 pick, many of them noting that even though he doesn't have elite speed, he is plenty fast.

But random members on here know better than said experts and the only person here who has watched every snap of his college career is showing his bias by pointing these things out?

Posted this one the other day, this was part of the little write up in the newest ESPN Top 50 board they posted the other day, "He has the reach and length to win on 50-50 balls, but also has the acceleration to be a yards-after-catch nightmare."

So again, tell me why this "draft expert" saying he has "the acceleration to be a YAC nightmare" is wrong about his speed but random huddler's know better?

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Aussie Tank said:

There's 3 absolutes in life death,taxes and Tuka laying it all on the line for TMac 

Yep

Like I said, I've gone to bat for Arizona players, football and basketball, too many times to count, including guys who were high draft picks and didn't pan out.

But I've only felt the same way about an Arizona player's professional prospects like I do with T-Mac with one other player, and that was Rob Gronkowski, who only ended up as the best TE of all time.

No, I'm obviously not saying T-Mac isn't going to be the best WR of all time, but in a few years, people here are going to either be really happy that I was correct after we drafted him, or will be upset that we didn't get him (whether it's because he went before us or we passed on him) when they realize how right I was on him.

I genuinely think his floor is a Top 15 WR in the league for a decade, his very real potential is Top 5 right there next to the Jefferson, Chase, Nabers type of guys, just doing it in a different way than they do, like how Tyreek has been one of those guys for a while but doing it differently than the rest, just opposite of T-Mac's way. 

[tukafan21]

8 minutes ago, carolinanimal said:

i honestly would prefer tmac in the first and all other picks and free agency be defense. he will help you as a wr now, way before a dt or de will this year. People think the draft will fix the defense this year...it wont. it will take at least 2 years for defensive draft picks to make a difference. 

Yes, I've pointed this out as well, especially in a year where it's mostly defensive prospects with potential, there aren't many who will step in and be impact players on day 1.  Graham or Campbell might be the only two players we'd have a shot at who would be better Week 1 than whoever we could sign in FA for those spots.  

But any edge rusher, shouldn't even be the best new edge on the team next year, as that should be where the majority of our cap room is spent.

[Aussie Tank]

8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Yep

Like I said, I've gone to bat for Arizona players, football and basketball, too many times to count, including guys who were high draft picks and didn't pan out.

But I've only felt the same way about an Arizona player's professional prospects like I do with T-Mac with one other player, and that was Rob Gronkowski, who only ended up as the best TE of all time.

No, I'm obviously not saying T-Mac isn't going to be the best WR of all time, but in a few years, people here are going to either be really happy that I was correct after we drafted him, or will be upset that we didn't get him (whether it's because he went before us or we passed on him) when they realize how right I was on him.

I genuinely think his floor is a Top 15 WR in the league for a decade, his very real potential is Top 5 right there next to the Jefferson, Chase, Nabers type of guys, just doing it in a different way than they do, like how Tyreek has been one of those guys for a while but doing it differently than the rest, just opposite of T-Mac's way. 

Mate i with you on him being my No 1 target in the draft. Not like you im pretty high on Bryce but I still have a little doubt and adding TMac would go along way to telling us if we have our franchise QB. 

Plus the strength and depth of the draft is dline and edge so take advantage of that rounds 2 through 4. 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Mate i with you on him being my No 1 target in the draft. Not like you im pretty high on Bryce but I still have a little doubt and adding TMac would go along way to telling us if we have our franchise QB. 

Plus the strength and depth of the draft is dline and edge so take advantage of that rounds 2 through 4. 

And that's another reason I like drafting T-Mac so much, as if we add him to the OL and running game we had this past year, Bryce has no more excuses, it's sink or swim time and we'll be able to find out if he can be the guy.

If he is, awesome, we have our QB, but if he isn't, at least we have a full offensive roster built out with a true #1 WR to slot a new QB into, whether it's a vet or a new draft pick.

[Super Grateful]

I'm gonna bang the table for Tyler Warren. I know it isn't going to happen, but I think it would be a great pick. Look at all the best teams, they have GREAT tight ends. Sure, Sanders looks good but this Warren kid is what football is all about. 

[GoobyPls]

Nope, we need defense and he’s not the type of WR Bryce needs 

[Byrdman4real]

2 hours ago, carolinanimal said:

i honestly would prefer tmac in the first and all other picks and free agency be defense. he will help you as a wr now, way before a dt or de will this year. People think the draft will fix the defense this year...it wont. it will take at least 2 years for defensive draft picks to make a difference. 

This, and another thing they forgetting is the possibility of switching back to 4-3 if the defense coach gets fired after the next season, which could leave the team with draft picks that dont fit the new hire system. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, carolinanimal said:

i honestly would prefer tmac in the first and all other picks and free agency be defense. he will help you as a wr now, way before a dt or de will this year. People think the draft will fix the defense this year...it wont. it will take at least 2 years for defensive draft picks to make a difference. 

Reasoned take...

[45catfan]

T-Mac's NFL comp strikes as Mike Evans, but a more agile and 'loose' version.

[Ghostofdelhomme]

T-Mac, Warren, Jeanty should all be considered, perhaps trade back a few spots to get another 2nd. An injury to Chuba would be season ending for the Panthers and a good RB must be drafted. Same situation as last year now and Canales will do it again.

[WhoKnows]

17 hours ago, rodeo said:

We need to fix the defense, but if we draft TMac I wouldn't be upset. It would be painful to watch a team get the next Calvin Johnson while we passed it by

He’s not the next Calvin if he doesn’t have track speed. Calvin Johnson was huge but he ran a 4.35 at the combine. That’s disgustingly fast for his size. It doesn’t sound like TMac is close to that speed. If we get him, I hope he’s an all-pro but CJ was in another world physically.