Daniel Jeremiah's Mock Draft 1.0

[CarolinaLivin]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

1 of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong.

Panthers great jonathon mingo?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

1 of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong.

If Legette gets it together then he, McMillan and Jalen Coker could make for a really interesting corps.

Possible Adam Theilin stays around too. Hell, even if he retires, he seems like the kind of guy who could make a very easy transition to coaching.

[tukafan21]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Ah

I tend to prefer full game tape and analysis over highlight reels anyway, but I thought I was giving you a taste of the guy was. My mistake

haha I love it, all good.

And I totally agree, especially for someone like T-Mac since most of his highlight reels are made up of his absurd contested catches.  Which sure, they're amazing and love to watch them, but when that's all people see of him, then see his size, it creates this false narrative to them that he's this plodding big WR.

It's when you watch the innocuous plays of his from his full tape that you see his complete usage that shows off his versatility and unexpected speed/agility for a player of his size.

A quick WR screen where he then makes a man miss and pick up 10 yards after the catch isn't going to make his standard 2 minute highlight reels.  But they're the plays that show off his unnatural moving ability for a player of his height.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

haha I love it, all good.

And I totally agree, especially for someone like T-Mac since most of his highlight reels are made up of his absurd contested catches.  Which sure, they're amazing and love to watch them, but when that's all people see of him, then see his size, it creates this false narrative to them that he's this plodding big WR.

It's when you watch the innocuous plays of his from his full tape that you see his complete usage that shows off his versatility and unexpected speed/agility for a player of his size.

A quick WR screen where he then makes a man miss and pick up 10 yards after the catch isn't going to make his standard 2 minute highlight reels.  But they're the plays that show off his unnatural moving ability for a player of his height.

At least from what I've seen, he seems like the kind of receiver that makes offensive coaches drool. I'm looking to read analysis of his route running and decision making sometime upcoming.

Just gotta see how things shake out...

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Panthers great jonathon mingo?

lol

In all honesty, the major difference is that Mango and XL were projects, they both had raw physical talents that they still needed to tap into.

T-Mac is the exact opposite, he's been productive since the second he stepped onto the field in college, has insane physical tools, and just needs to fine tune a couple specific areas of his game to really take his game to the next level in the NFL, in particular his initial get off at the snap and crisping up his cuts just a tad.

He already runs a full and complete NFL route tree, something neither XL or Mango can do even right now.  If he just cleans up his cuts on said routes by even just like 33% to give him just an extra half step of separation, it's going to help take his game to a scary level, as his hands are as elite as they come, give him a little more space and he's going to be a future HOFer

[tukafan21]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

At least from what I've seen, he seems like the kind of receiver that makes offensive coaches drool. I'm looking to read analysis of his route running and decision making sometime upcoming.

Just gotta see how things shake out...

He runs a full NFL route tree already, can be used in screen games, quick slants, going across the middle, go routes, basically anything you want.  Yes, he needs to get a little quicker off the line at the snap and crisp up his cuts on his routes a tiny bit, but honestly, those are two of the only things he needs to work on, he's such a complete player already.

His biggest "flaw" is his lack of top end track speed, but realistically, Bryce doesn't have the arm to properly utilize that type of WR anyways.  And once he gets going with his long strides, he has MORE than enough speed to be a true elite #1 WR.  

I still think our chances of landing him come down to his 40 time.  If/when he runs a sub 4.5 like I think he will, I can't see him getting to 8.  I'm pretty much to the point of hoping his size and lack of a track background make him slow out of the blocks so he runs a 4.55 and falls to us at 8.

Curious what you mean by "decision making" as that's not something you hear about a WR (what kind of decisions are they making out there?)

But if it helps.... one of the things that made him so good in college was that his QB was his best friend and have played together since 8th grade.  His "find an open space and sit in it for his QB" game is as good as I've ever seen at this level because of that connection, so you know once he gets comfortable with his NFL QB, it's going to be a Mahomes/Kelce type of situation, where they share a brain out there and just know what the other person is doing.

Edited yesterday at 08:54 PM by tukafan21

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

He runs a full NFL route tree already, can be used in screen games, quick slants, going across the middle, go routes, basically anything you want.  Yes, he needs to get a little quicker off the line at the snap and crisp up his cuts on his routes a tiny bit, but honestly, those are two of the only things he needs to work on, he's such a complete player already.

His biggest "flaw" is his lack of top end track speed, but realistically, Bryce doesn't have the arm to properly utilize that type of WR anyways.  And once he gets going with his long strides, he has MORE than enough speed to be a true elite #1 WR.  

I still think our chances of landing him come down to his 40 time.  If/when he runs a sub 4.5 like I think he will, I can't see him getting to 8.  I'm pretty much to the point of hoping his size and lack of a track background make him slow out of the blocks so he runs a 4.55 and falls to us at 8.

Curious what you mean by "decision making" as that's not something you hear about a WR (what kind of decisions are they making out there?)

But if it helps.... one of the things that made him so good in college was that his QB was his best friend and have played together since 8th grade.  His "find an open space and sit in it for his QB" game is as good as I've ever seen at this level because of that connection, so you know once he gets comfortable with his NFL QB, it's going to be a Mahomes/Kelce type of situation, where they share a brain out there and just know what the other person is doing.

Smart receivers know how to read coverages, alter routes if needed, things of that sort...

[Growl]

 I like where his thinking is tbh. People loosing their heads because this doesn’t look like other mocks aren’t paying attention. This is probably one of the most unpredictable drafts we’ve seen. 

[tukafan21]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Smart receivers know how to read coverages, alter routes if needed, things of that sort...

Yea, figured you meant something like that, but just not sure I've seen someone use the term "decision making" for a WR in a draft analysis before lol.

If that's what you want to see though, you'll see A TON of it in his tape from this season in particular.  Our OL was straight garbage this year, lot of scrambling by our QB and forcing T-Mac to make adjustments on the fly and find open space in the coverage.

Plus he was doubled and tripled on a consistent basis, again forcing him to find ways to get open and find the holes to sit in for his QB to find him.

Again, another reason why I think he's such a great fit for Bryce and his game.  

[Captain Morgan]

one problem we had last year was getting the ball in the end zone.

Having Tmac should greatly help us in the red zone.  It would be fun watching Bryce's accuracy to a guy who can get up over the entire defense.

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

one problem we had last year was getting the ball in the end zone.

Having Tmac should greatly help us in the red zone.  It would be fun watching Bryce's accuracy to a guy who can get up over the entire defense.

This times a million

Bryce doesn't have a rifle for an arm, but what he does do well is place the ball with touch.

As much as I hate on Bryce (and I still don't think he's a franchise QB), I think a Bryce/T-Mac combo would be a true elite combo in the red zone, and in particular on those 10-15 yards and throw it high and to his back shoulder routes.  Once those two get their timing down, that play would be unstoppable with his size and hands when the ball is placed out there where the defender has no chance at making a play on it.

Edited yesterday at 09:48 PM by tukafan21

[rodeo]

We need to fix the defense, but if we draft TMac I wouldn't be upset. It would be painful to watch a team get the next Calvin Johnson while we passed it by

[Growl]

27 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

one problem we had last year was getting the ball in the end zone.

Having Tmac should greatly help us in the red zone.  It would be fun watching Bryce's accuracy to a guy who can get up over the entire defense.

this was true for a stretch in the middle of but wasn’t really a storyline as the season went on.

 

honestly if there is any portion of Bryce’s game that you should have total confidence in, it’s probably that. The anticipation, the tight release, the elastic arm angles, the mobility. That’s the whole package in goal to go time. 

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, rodeo said:

We need to fix the defense, but if we draft TMac I wouldn't be upset. It would be painful to watch a team get the next Calvin Johnson while we passed it by

carter

tet

mason

walker

campbell

 

all 3 would be a welcome addition and one of those surely will be there at 8