Canes vs Blue Jackets 7pm

[PantherChris]

Lmfao this team is bipolar as f**k

[WelshPanther]

What is going on. 

[Panthers Fan 69]

Here live the crowd is going crazy. But we gotta talk about Freddie and his all world soft goals.  If that was koochie, people would be crucifying him.  
 

happy to have the lead but we gotta kick this poo down in the 3rd 

Edited 21 hours ago by Panthers Fan 69

[DavidEng]

Martinook steals the puck and feeds KK for the goal wooo!

[DavidEng]

Jarvis calls game 

[cookinbrak]

Not the prettiest, but definitely the most fun. Like a chubby sorority girl.

[Panthers Fan 69]

1 hour ago, cookinbrak said:

Not the prettiest, but definitely the most fun. Like a chubby sorority girl.

Do you roll her in flour to find the wet spot?  Jesus I’m sorry and I’ll see myself out.  

[MHS831]

I have a question, and I don't read the Canes threads but I watch them on TV when I can.  I was not raised with the game and I obviously never played, so I worry that my instincts are naive-- I noticed that a lot of goals are being scored when Brian Burns is in the game--he seems a bit careless with his passes, a bit passive.  His shot from the blue line is not getting through like it did before--I realize this is probably the last year he will be here, but is he sucking as bad as it seems?  The other day, when the Canes had the game in hand, he blindly lagged a puck behind his own net to no one.  The other team (Dallas or Vegas--can't recall) got control and he seemed to panic.  I just feel that he has lost a step (or two--he is 40) and mentally, he is not as focused.  School me about Burns--

[Anybodyhome]

11 hours ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Here live the crowd is going crazy. But we gotta talk about Freddie and his all world soft goals.  If that was koochie, people would be crucifying him.  
 

happy to have the lead but we gotta kick this poo down in the 3rd 

The 2 deflections were pretty lucky and there's not a lot you can do when the defender has decent position. Nonetheless, you'd like to think Freddie could have stopped the first goal- that was pretty soft.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Anybodyhome

[Anybodyhome]

18 hours ago, KingKucci said:

I dont think its a rental.  We would take over his contract and he would be here to stay.  

 

15 hours ago, PantherChris said:

100% 

Contracts are pretty set on stone in the NHL this would 100% not be a rental 

Right. Not sure what I was thinking there. My bad.

Regardless, I'm not sure a 31-year old center @ $8M per is the answer. That's a lot of cap money tied up in an older player on a relatively young team. I get it, the guy has been a points machine for the 3-4 years prior to this- but what changed this year that he suddenly, and pretty noticeably, dropped off?

[Panthers Fan 69]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I have a question, and I don't read the Canes threads but I watch them on TV when I can.  I was not raised with the game and I obviously never played, so I worry that my instincts are naive-- I noticed that a lot of goals are being scored when Brian Burns is in the game--he seems a bit careless with his passes, a bit passive.  His shot from the blue line is not getting through like it did before--I realize this is probably the last year he will be here, but is he sucking as bad as it seems?  The other day, when the Canes had the game in hand, he blindly lagged a puck behind his own net to no one.  The other team (Dallas or Vegas--can't recall) got control and he seemed to panic.  I just feel that he has lost a step (or two--he is 40) and mentally, he is not as focused.  School me about Burns--

Welcome!  Come by more often and hang during games. This forum will fill up closer to the playoffs. 
 

Burns has played well to start the year on D. In fact, he actually was brought to the canes 3 years ago for offense. Now that he is 40, the offense is drying up and he is being forced to play more D. Yeah, he is slowing down, Father Time is taking his toll. If he didn’t play so many minutes I think he would be more fresh. His clears aren’t becasue he is lazy. I think he is just getting older and tired.  @Anybodyhomeagree or disagree? 

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Welcome!  Come by more often and hang during games. This forum will fill up closer to the playoffs. 
 

Burns has played well to start the year on D. In fact, he actually was brought to the canes 3 years ago for offense. Now that he is 40, the offense is drying up and he is being forced to play more D. Yeah, he is slowing down, Father Time is taking his toll. If he didn’t play so many minutes I think he would be more fresh. His clears aren’t becasue he is lazy. I think he is just getting older and tired.  @Anybodyhomeagree or disagree? 

I love the person and think he is starting to give in to the retirement idea.  I was just wondering if he is a liability.  I will come back more--I LOVE the game of hockey but was never around it.

[Anybodyhome]

So, let's just settle into some Brent Burns facts before we end his career without proper due.

Burnsie, as he prefers to be called, has played 1464 games in his career, 2nd most among active players. He has played 892 consecutive games, 1st among active players. He's going to be 40 in March and he's still a top line defenseman. 

He has a career 51 point per season average (15G/36A) and he's on pace to put up 40 this season. But he's a blue-liner and his offense is a secondary priority for this team. His previous 2 seasons were well above his career average, but let's not forget this was a different team those 2 seasons. Brent Burns takes a lot of shots from the blue line. The vast majority are looking for a deflection, rebound or a bounce. As good as goalies are these days, it's a fact not many shots are going in untouched from the blue line. So he shoots looking for a redirect, loose puck or rebound. He doesn't have the net front he's enjoyed the past couple years with guys like Noesen, Bunting, Jesper Fast, Teravainen;  all of whom have stacked up many goals off Burns shots from the blue line.

He's 40, and yes, he's slowed down. But, last night's game clearly showed more than once he can still skate when needed. He was as quick as I've ever seen a couple times last night. That being said, if you watched Columbus last night, they are a study in contract to the Canes. Columbus passes are direct and with pace. Player to player. When in the offensive zone, they rotate the puck with speed and precision, which also benefits their PP, one of the best in the league. Carolina, on the other hand, utilizes a lot of passing to areas on the ice rather than to players. Passes with anticipation of a players getting to the puck. This includes a lot of blind passes, no-look passes and passes without a lot of pace or speed on them. That's not just Brent Burns, that's the entire team. Carolina plays a much riskier game in that respect and the consequences of not being successful are what we saw last night in the 1st period and the Chicago game 1st period as well.

Burnsie's TOI is down again this year, as is Slavin's. Keep in mind, during Burnsie's tenure in San Jose, his TOI was 25-26 minutes per game! He and Slavin are both below 22 for the second season in a row, which helps keep them fresh. If the game is pretty much in hand, it's unlikely you'll see Burns and Slavin on the ice during the last 2-3 shifts of the game. He's not the PP point man anymore- Gostisbehere has that job; and Chatfield's minutes have gone up over 3 minutes per game, even finding some time on the PK. So, it's clear RBA sees what 40 years of age and over 10 seasons of not missing a game will do to a player, and he's doing what he needs to keep #8 as healthy and ready as possible.

Burns is an unrestricted free agent after this season. If he decides to continue playing, the Canes will be hard-pressed to find a top line d-man to fill his shoes if they opt not to keep him, even with his few liabilities. Because, for every mistake Burnsie makes during the course of a game, he makes 5-6 other plays you can point out as underrated or under appreciated.

Someone look at the list of UFA defensemen and tell me who replaces Burns on the top line? There's maybe 1 name on that list, Aaron Ekblad, who will finish his 8-year, $7.5M contract after the season.

Edited 5 hours ago by Anybodyhome

[Anybodyhome]

4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

The other day, when the Canes had the game in hand, he blindly lagged a puck behind his own net to no one.  The other team (Dallas or Vegas--can't recall) got control and he seemed to panic.

It was a set play off the faceoff and Martinook was supposed to roll back and pick up that pass. The replay doesn't show whether Marty jumped into the circle or if he just got caught up in the wash and never got to the spot. The replay didn't show where #48 went, but you can clearly see Burns yell at Martinook (which is a pretty fugging rare occasion) after the play. A pretty obvious miscommunication.