roster moves?

[mick eye]

I hate to say it but i would not mind blowing this team up and starting with some young talent. These would be the moves i would make.

1. Diaw /2011 2nd for the Tattooed Twins, Chris Anderson/JR Smith

2. Crash/ST Raymond/Nzar for Chris Paul/ Julian Wright/ future 2nd

3. Buy a draft pick from someone

4. FA pick up Josh Howard

PG- CP3, DJ

SG- Jack, JR, Henderson

SF- Howard, Wright, Brown

PF- TT, Birdman,

C- TC, Diop,

[BF91]

I feel like that's entirely unrealistic. Why would NO want Felton as a back-up when Steve Blake would give them a solid back-up for much cheaper? Why would Denver trade two of their top rotational players for Diaw's inflated contract and slipping production? If Kenyon Martin stays in Denver, Diaw would become a vastly overpaid sixth man.

Plus, those moves likely put the Bobcats over the luxury tax, especially since it's expected to be lower this year.

[carpanfan96]

There going to have to do something with the team. If the team isn't going to go over the lux tax to get better, then they need to get out of cap hell. The only way to get out of the cap hell the cats are in is to let some core players go, either by letting them walk (Felton) or trading them. Felton has to be gone unless the team goes even deeper into the lux tax.

TT is going to get some decent money, probably around 6-8 million a season for 3-5 years. The Cats pretty much have to resign him or they wasted a 1st round pick on a rental just to get sweept out in the first round of the playoffs. Signing TT pretty much locks the team down for next season unless they make a major trade. Sign Flip or another low FA

So unless they make a major trade getting rid of Diaw, Wallace or Jackson next years roster is

DJ / (Flip or another FA)

Jackson / Henderson

Wallace / Brown / Graham (if they sign him again, makes 900k)

TT / Diaw / Ajinca

Chandler / Mohammed / Diop

Payroll - ( assuming TT is making around 7 mil)

right around 69 - 70 million and in the Luxary tax or right on the verge of it with a non playoff team IMO

Cap is 57.7 million and the lux tax is 69.9 million.

[BF91]

There going to have to do something with the team. If the team isn't going to go over the lux tax to get players then the only way to get out of the cap hell the cats are in is to let some core players go, either by letting them walk (Felton) or trading them. Felton has to be gone unless the team goes into the lux tax.

TT is going to get some decent money, probably around 6-8 million a season for 3-5 years. The Cats pretty much have to resign him or they wasted a 1st round pick on a rental just to get sweept out in the first round of the playoffs. Signing TT pretty much locks the team down for next season unless they make a major trade. Sign Flip or another low FA

So unless they make a major trade getting rid of Diaw, Wallace or Jackson next years roster is

DJ / (Flip or another FA)

Jackson / Henderson

Wallace / Brown / Graham (if they sign him again, makes 900k)

TT / Diaw / Ajinca

Chandler / Mohammed / Diop

Payroll - ( assuming TT is making around 7 mil)

70 million and in the Luxary tax with a non playoff team IMO

Cap is 57.7 million and the lux tax is 69.9 million.

Bobcats Baseline has a couple articles up showing how we could improve and still be under the luxury tax. But you're right, some serious wheeling and dealing is going to have to be made to make the Bobcats a clearly better team and stay under the luxury tax, which is expected to go to a lower value this offseason.

[carpanfan96]

Getting rid of Diaw and Jackson gets rid of around 17 million off the books. While Wallace makes close to 10 million in 2010 - 11/ Chandler / Diop and Mohammed make around 25m combined.

More then likely You'd sign TT to a 3 year deal making starter money, then ship off Diaw for a pick and player. 2nd rounder and low end average player.

Then combine Jackson and Mohammed with a future 2nd rounder for a mid 1st round pick and a decent - good player in return.

Keep Wallace, TT DJ, Brown and Henderson and build off them.

[carpanfan96]

Bobcats Baseline has a couple articles up showing how we could improve and still be under the luxury tax. But you're right, some serious wheeling and dealing is going to have to be made to make the Bobcats a clearly better team and stay under the luxury tax, which is expected to go to a lower value this offseason.

I put next years cap and lux tax at the end of my post.

Also I've read them and most of it isn't going to happen.

Will post the cap and tax for next season below

Cap is 57.7 million and the lux tax is 69.9

[BF91]

Getting rid of Diaw and Jackson gets rid of around 17 million off the books. While Wallace makes close to 10 million in 2010 - 11/ Chandler / Diop and Mohammed make around 25m combined.

More then likely You'd sign TT to a 3 year deal making starter money, then ship off Diaw for a pick and player. 2nd rounder and low end average player.

Then combine Jackson and Mohammed with a future 2nd rounder for a mid 1st round pick and a decent - good player in return.

Keep Wallace, TT DJ, Brown and Henderson and build off them.

I highly doubt we trade Jackson at this point. More than almost any other player, he was the reason why the Bobcats made the playoffs this past season.

[BF91]

I put next years cap and lux tax at the end of my post.

Also I've read them and most of it isn't going to happen.

Will post the cap and tax for next season below

Cap is 57.7 million and the lux tax is 69.9

What front office position do you hold to be able to say that as a fact? The Bobcats have made more roster moves than any other team over the past couple years, and the moves they have outlined in Part B are certainly reasonable. Not everyone is going to like what's being proposed, but you can't say with certainty that its not going to happen.

[SOJA]

I'm all for CP3 I just don't know how the bobcats would outbid another team for him

[carpanfan96]

What front office position do you hold to be able to say that as a fact? The Bobcats have made more roster moves than any other team over the past couple years, and the moves they have outlined in Part B are certainly reasonable. Not everyone is going to like what's being proposed, but you can't say with certainty that its not going to happen.

not saying I'm a member of the Cats....

Diaw for Hinrich isn't likely to happen. Hinirich has tons of value right now because of the low amount of quality FA pg's. He's going to command way more then just Diaw or Diaw and a future 2nd.

Mohammed's for Nocioni is more likely to happen, but it doesn't really help the Bobcats and it puts more payroll on the team for next season - continuing the cap hell the cats are in.

What I'm saying is that they aren't likely to happen for those reasons.

1. Hinrich isn't likely unless the cats give up more then the above trade.. Normally I'd say this trade would work, but not this off season because of the lack of good PG's on the market.

2. The trade doesn't help the bobcats it actually hurts them long run by adding more cap onto a team that's already strapped next season.

3. I can't think of any reason why the Washington trade would happen...... 1st round pick, McGee and Arena's for a bunch of no good Centers and Diaw............

The most reasonable thing they've posted in that blog so far is letting Felton walk and Signing TT to a 3 year deal.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

If only Madden made an NBA game then the cycle would be complete.

[BF91]

not saying I'm a member of the Cats....

[carpanfan96]

Then how about not stating your opinion as fact then? Sorry if I'm being an ass, but that's one thing that always bothers me. If its your opinion, state it as such. I try to do it as much as possible. I think the deals they've proposed (especially in Part are all pretty plausible.

How does it add more cap? Diaw makes $9MM in '10/'11 and $9MM in '11/'12. Hinrich makes $9MM in '10/'11 and 8MM in '11/'12, meaning we actually are helping our cap situation.

I was talking about the Mohammed - nocioni trade that has the Bobcats picking up an additional year in a sub par big man - sub par big man swap. If you keep Mohammed he comes off the books after the coming season.

On the flip side, besides for Wallace and Jackson he's actually one of the few players that could be easily traded.

However getting back to the Hinrich trade, if the bulls do trade him they are going to be looking for something substantial in return. I don't think a Diaw for Hinrich will be enough to entice the bulls into trading him. Especially with the PG free agent market the way it is.

Also it's not just Opinion on the trades and why they are most likely not going to happen. It's logic, The Bobcats are screwed cap wise, they have 10 players signed for next year and are already over the cap. This is counting a qualified offer for TT at 6.6 million ( which is probably on the low end if they resign him). The only way they get out of it is by giving up a key player. The Bobcats have a choice - be a mediocre/30-45 win team for the next 3 years or try moving a piece now.

So lets take a look at the roster and who's actually worth something and could help the cats both long term and short term.

DJ - Young, but with how rocky last season was - probably not a lot of trade value. Doubtful he would be traded unless it landed a substantial player or pick back.

Henderson - no playing time last season and at this moment the team most likely isn't looking to trade him,...

Diaw - One of the only assets the team has for trades, especially if TT is resigned to a deal. However he makes 18 million over the next two seasons.

Diop - Unmovable - as mentioned above. Makes 20 million over the next three years with the third year a player option at 7.3 million.

Mohammed - Asset, expiring deal worth 6.8 million.

Chandler - Player option worth 12.75 million - expiring deal - Asset if a team is willing to take on his contract for a season. However it's very doubtfully that a team is going to send a player worth the 13 million back..... More then likely would only be traded if packaged with other players.

Ajinca - enough said, has ton of upside. Just doesn't seem to get it or something and isn't really a trade asset with his contract. Has three years left, year two is a team option and year three a player option.

Thomas - Not going to be traded just after being resigned, if they can manage to do so. Giving up a 1st rounder for a rental would suck....

Wallace - Definitely an asset - Great all around player and an excellent defender. Has 3 years and 30 million left on his contract, the last year being a player option. My favorite player and one I think is probably untouchable in trade....He's still one of the team's best trade pieces.

Jackson - 3 years 27 million left - easily the best trade asset the team has. Proven scorer and a good defender. He's getting up there in age and it's no telling how much he has left. It's probably the best time to trade him as his value is high after last season.

So all the players that are currently signed or are expected to be back.

So that's Diaw, Jackson, Wallace and Mohammed as the team's trade assets that are movable to the point where something good could be had in return. With a possibility on Chandler.

[BF91]

I'll be honest and say I'm not a fan of the Mohammed-Nocioni deal, but I think you're overvaluing Hinrich. Because of his contract and fairly poor play the past two years, he's not going to command a large return. In my opinion, the likely scenario for a Hinrich trade would be bad contract for bad contract.