[The Athletic] Panthers’ offseason to-do list

[mrcompletely11]

And there is absolutely no way you dont pick up ickys 5th just on general principle

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's no way they drafted him to be a sideline to sideline FS. We just tried to make him that because we didn't have any other option.

Go look back at the draft articles. Our coaching staff was on record believing he was going to be that guy. Which, don't forget he was a FS in college.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

And there is absolutely no way you dont pick up ickys 5th just on general principle

It's not principle, it's just smart business. The alternative is back to the drawing board or spending insanely in free agency. 

Now the contract extension could be dicey. Let's hope he gives the hometown discount as a CLT native and lifelong Panthers fan.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Go look back at the draft articles. Our coaching staff was on record believing he was going to be that guy. Which, don't forget he was a FS in college.

Honestly, the only actual position I recall them naming specifically with him was nickel. Most of the talk was about him just being a versatile position less chess pieces. Which honestly was how he played best when he should've won DROY basically playing the same "joker" hybrid LB/S role that TD did as a rookie.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's not principle, it's just smart business. The alternative is back to the drawing board or spending insanely in free agency. 

Now the contract extension could be dicey. Let's hope he gives the hometown discount as a CLT native and lifelong Panthers fan.

There is no free agent that is going to be as good as icky even with his faults.  The 5th year option is a relative "cheaper" way to buy you time and evaluate him more.  Having to spend a high pick again for an unproven LT is just not the noise this franchise needs anytime soon.   Having said that in complete transparency, if that LSU kid is there at 8 and if he is the highest on their board I would take him and not look back.   Let motons deal run its course, move icky to the right and let this pass blocking phenom take over in 26.  

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, the only actual position I recall them naming specifically with him was nickel. Most of the talk was about him just being a versatile position less chess pieces. Which honestly was how he played best when he should've won DROY basically playing the same "joker" hybrid LB/S role that TD did as a rookie.

I think the truth is, as hard as it is for Panthers fans to accept, he is a very scheme specific guy with a limited ceiling. 

With our current DC, he doesn't fit at all. Take that as you will, as I think everyone should have ample questions about how Evero utilizes talent. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I think the truth is, as hard as it is for Panthers fans to accept, he is a very scheme specific guy with a limited ceiling. 

With our current DC, he doesn't fit at all. Take that as you will, as I think everyone should have ample questions about how Evero utilizes talent. 

I just think he's a LB in today's NFL. Kam Chancellor would've been too.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

There is no free agent that is going to be as good as icky even with his faults.  The 5th year option is a relative "cheaper" way to buy you time and evaluate him more.  Having to spend a high pick again for an unproven LT is just not the noise this franchise needs anytime soon.   Having said that in complete transparency, if that LSU kid is there at 8 and if he is the highest on their board I would take him and not look back.   Let motons deal run its course, move icky to the right and let this pass blocking phenom take over in 26.  

The bad part is that you see how good Becton has been with the switch to OG. Had we been a little more forward thinking, perhaps you don't spend mega bucks on the OG's and move Ikey inside once you get a good LT replacement. 

Ikey has the capability to be a solid LT but possibly All Pro OG.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I just think he's a LB in today's NFL. Kam Chancellor would've been too.

Maybe but the pendulum is starting to swing a little towards more rushing based attacks(typical cyclical NFL). In that world he doesn't fit at LB unless he bulks up quite a bit. 

He isn't that different than someone like Isaiah Simmons in terms of being a guy that is hard to find a spot to be successful in.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Maybe but the pendulum is starting to swing a little towards more rushing based attacks(typical cyclical NFL). In that world he doesn't fit at LB unless he bulks up quite a bit. 

He isn't that different than someone like Isaiah Simmons in terms of being a guy that is hard to find a spot to be successful in.

In that world he's a traditional strong safety which over the past decade or so has kinda gone the way of the FB on offense. Not many teams really have one anymore.

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In that world he's a traditional strong safety which over the past decade or so has kinda gone the way of the FB on offense. Not many teams really have one anymore.

True. The infuriating thing is he is such a talented player that you want to find a way to use him effectively.

[Ghostofdelhomme]

Evero is a Vic Fangio disciple but he just doesn’t have the players to run it effectively. This defense is the worst possible defense you can run with limited talent. Small and slow everywhere but play zone and “attack” the football and get steamrolled by the run. This guy is a bum and if there are no all pro LB’s its a trash scheme