[Joe Person] Jonathon Brooks had a successful 2nd ACL surgery - Expected to miss all of 2025 Season

[CanadianCat]

I dont think this is news. The team obviously didnt forget to book an appointment. 

[Byrdman4real]

1 hour ago, fanpanther said:

 

 

Watching these highlights really hope the panthers get him.  His balance and power look legit, most draft analysis I see actually compare him to Hubbard with better hands.

He's been on my mock draft radar. He's a sleeper. 

[kungfoodude]

18 minutes ago, TD alt said:

It depends upon what stats you're looking at, and what supports your narrative. 

Teams with RBs drafted in the first round are not only represented in the playoffs, but the Super Bowl over the last decade. 

If you're going to say, "Well they didn't win," I will ask you, "Why didn't they win?" Hell, we didn't lose the Super Bowl due to J-Stew. The 49ers didn't lose the Super Bowl due to CMC (hell, they almost won because of him). Did the Ravens really lose the game yesterday because of King Henry? 

Stats can make something look black and white that's not. There are a multitude of reasons why teams don't win championships (not that the inability to win rings is  necessarily a sign of a failed season).

It's almost a certainty that you'd rather have one than not. Of course it's always better to find a first round talent on day 3 (but that can be said for any position).  

It's not necessarily a good strategy to go into the draft saying you're going to draft this position or that position on this day or that day, you should always let the draft come to you. It's about value and knowing when to strike. 

But value IS the core of the argument. RB's represent some of the worst wins/position in the draft. 

I am not saying that it is insane to take a RB high in the draft but your needs basically need to align with that. 

Ultimately, in the first two rounds, it is a luxury pick. You basically already have a great roster.

[TD alt]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But value IS the core of the argument. RB's represent some of the worst wins/position in the draft. 

I am not saying that it is insane to take a RB high in the draft but your needs basically need to align with that. 

Ultimately, in the first two rounds, it is a luxury pick. You basically already have a great roster.

You keep saying that, but the fact is is that RBs are still very valuable on the field. But, yes, where you draft one does depend upon whether you need one. For example, if Jeanty is still on the board when the Cowboys pick, it might behoove them to take him.

Edited 3 hours ago by TD alt

[kungfoodude]

Just now, TD alt said:

You keep saying that, but the fact is is that RBs are still very valuable on the field. But, yes, where you draft one does depend upon whether you need one. For example, if Jeanry is still on the board when the Cowboys pick, it might behoove them to take him.

We will just have to disagree. There is an older statistical analysis into this but it basically places RB as lowest wins shares/position. That isn't accidental.

Now, I will say that has the caveat of that could change over time. It just isn't the case now 

[toldozer]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

But to the level they have been paid?

Yeah I mean 200 yards in a divisional game means jack. I'm sure the eagles regret paying barkely

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, toldozer said:

Yeah I mean 200 yards in a divisional game means jack. I'm sure the eagles regret paying barkely

Ask them in a week.

[toldozer]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Ask them in a week.

Commanders aren't properly using their best back so we will see which way works better you're right.

[kass]

1 minute ago, toldozer said:

Yeah I mean 200 yards in a divisional game means jack. I'm sure the eagles regret paying barkely

Eagles didn't draft Barkley in the first. 

That's the argument. 

Few are saying you shouldnt sign great players.. 

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

No more free agent RBs ever, please. Don't trade for the. Don't look in FA. If you want one, draft one. After the third round preferably.

I am not talking about some high priced free agent, more along the lines of Foreman.

[Mr. Scot]

Passed on Zach Frazier for him

There's a word for this situation. I'm having trouble remembering what it is. 

Oh yeah...

Sh-t

[kass]

51 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But value IS the core of the argument. RB's represent some of the worst wins/position in the draft. 

I am not saying that it is insane to take a RB high in the draft but your needs basically need to align with that. 

Ultimately, in the first two rounds, it is a luxury pick. You basically already have a great roster.

Chiefs is a proof of that.

Their RB core underachieved and they used, i think, 7 backs in 2019. So since their team was already good, they could use their 31-32 pick or whatever on a RB. 

He was their lead back year 1. Then he was outplayed by an UDFA and then later replaced as a starter by a 7th rounder.

I think the list if first rounders in the latest 10 sb that was playing for the team that drafted them are:

Stewart, Gurley, Edwards-Helaire, Michel. 

 

Edit:

So, two losing the sb and two luxury picks that didn't get a second contract with the team.

Don't draft a RB in round 1.

Edited 2 hours ago by kass
Mixon is a 2 rounder. Lynch was a Bills pick.

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

Always hated this pick. Such a waste 

[Shocker]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

But value IS the core of the argument. RB's represent some of the worst wins/position in the draft. 

I am not saying that it is insane to take a RB high in the draft but your needs basically need to align with that. 

Ultimately, in the first two rounds, it is a luxury pick. You basically already have a great roster.

Things have gone bad for JB and coming off injury is definitely hard to defend.  He did show talent although very briefly.

A second round back is fine if he is a difference maker.   A top 5 RB is fine.  I don't think anyone would disagree that Barkley has led the Eagles to the brink of a championship.  

Depends on the talent of the RB.