Leadership

[CRA]

I didn't say S.....I said Strong Saftey. He played FS in college and in the NFL a couple games. Read.

In addition to that, the point was about trading away needed depth/leadership (Harris) for 2 guys that haven't proven themselves yet (and no Godfrey hasn't).

So please, what is your point again? One of the two has to play SS.....neither Godfrey or Martin have played a down at SS college or pro. Why was getting rid of Harris a good idea again for LB depth?

Instead of being so quick to "act" like you schooled me, read what is being said.

[theedaddy]

im a fan of the NO captain deal.

its odd to have a captain going though trading, SUCKING, injuries, OR some TMZ BS etc and still be a leader. let the men figure it out.

[panthers55]

Thank you CRA!! Thank you for once again showing you don't know poo. Martin played safety in college. He is athletic enough to play cb...but it is obvious from his play on the field he is a natural safety. The safety position in a tampa 2 defense are interchangable! Martin will lead. As for whether hell play fs or ss...that hasn't been decided yet, and yet you act like you know everything. Don't let me stop you from embarressing yourself further!

Lol

The problem with your logic is that Meeks doesn't play the Tampa 2 exclusively. He plays a cover 1 rover, cover 3, sometimes a zone blitz as well as cover 2/tampa 2. The reality is that most teams don't play their base defense more than 50-60% of the time. So to talk about the tampa 2 and the safeties as interchangeable and not requiring different skill sets denies all the occasions when they won't be in that coverage and they will need different skills sets.

Meeks has always had a SS with great run stopping skills and good coverage skills. We all know the strong safety in Indy was Sanders but do you know without looking it up who the free safety was?? If they were interchangeable then the defense wouldn't have suffeed mightly when Sanders was out and we would all know who they were.

[pantherclaw]

I did read. Evidently you didn't. I know he played free safety.

You are the one stuck on martin not being able to play ss. Chances are, hell be the fs anyways. Not that it matters in our system. Which do you think is easier to do. Play coverage, or run support? Don't bother responding.

You also continue to argue they haven't proven themselves. Obviously. others feel otherwise. Especially the coaches. So go ahead...keep flappin' that arguement all you want.

Once again, we have fans who don't understand, that to move on from a player that is also a leader...you have to remove that player so it won't devide the locker room.

Most people are excited about both being on the field together. It will improve our secondary. Run support is taught to every cb on a john fox team. Of course, you knew that...that is why you are so concerned...right?

Funny thing...you had time to edit your response. While others we also pointing out that the safety positions are interchangable...and you still haven't figured it out. Worried about being schooled....rather than understanding and learning something.

[pantherclaw]

The problem with your logic is that Meeks doesn't play the Tampa 2 exclusively. He plays a cover 1 robber, cover 3, sometimes a zone blitz as well as cover 2/tampa 2. The reality is that most teams don't play their base defense more than 50-60% of the time. So to talk abou the tampa 2 and the safeties as interchangeable and not requiring different skill sets denies all the occasions when they won't be in that coverage and they will need different skills sets.

Meeks has always had a SS with great run stopping skills and good coverage skills. We all know the strong safety in Indy was Sanders but do you know without looking it up who the free safety was?? If they were interchangeable then the defense wouldn't have suffeed mightly when Sanders was out and we would all know who they were.

John fox has always had the same opinion on the safeties.

yes we need physicality in the secondary. Without harris, our safeties won't be hitting players? I find that difficult to believe.

Run support is a lot easier to coach than coverage skills.

[carolinanimal]

John fox has always had the same opinion on the safeties.

yes we need physicality in the secondary. Without harris, our safeties won't be hitting players? I find that difficult to believe.

Run support is a lot easier to coach than coverage skills.

what you cant teach is the ATTITUDE to hit and want to hit rbs and pulling guards and other players. Harris had that attitude in spades. godfrey had it for about 3 games on the smallest wr on the field.

[Kurb]

I have found that leaders can be replaced when the need arises.

[carolinanimal]

i still have this question for P55. what do you think happens when all these young bucks want more money? can we completely turnover our roster again?

[MaineManPanther]

I do watch Godfrey very intensely....doesn't mean you ignore everything else on the field.

Ive seen all the games and belive Godfry isnt that bad. Several other posters have watched the games and belive the same thing. If Godfry is such a bad player, and we all use the same refrences to judge,how are we coming to different opinons about this? Is everybody who doesnt see it your way just wrong? Or maybe Godfry isnt nearly as bad as you say?

[Fiz]

Godfrey looked pretty awful during the 2nd half of 2008 and pre injury in 2009.

of course it's difficult to isolate his shitty play from the shitty play of the defense as a whole in those circumstances without endzone cams so whatev

[MaineManPanther]

Obviously there is no arguing he was bad. But Im speaking of his improvment after injury.Its ignorant to say he simply imporved his FF abillity, and thats all, everything else everybody noticed was wrong. Based on the exact same sources.

[DynastyRTR]

I kind of hope Marcus Hudson gets the start at SS. maybe he can turn out like Harris did. Suck in one place, then be great at another.

[CRA]

he has never played SS nor has Godfrey. I said maybe one of them can but it is still an uknown.....therefore it doesn't make much sense to move Harris out of Carolina and bring in a backup LB. Harris could at least be depth or start if they can't handle it....which is an unknown.

You are making assumptions guys will do what they haven't done....I am just stating it makes sense to keep Harris for 2010 if it backfires b/c now there is nothing there behind them.

as far as proving themselves, Godfrey at best, is an average FS thus far. Much more bad than good....even factoring in he has improved. Hard to call him proven NFL S....at least not a good one yet. Martin has 4 starts at FS....hard to call him proven. Neither has played a down at any level at SS...again, not proven.

I never edited any context of of that post. The S positions aren't interchangeable like they suggested. 55 did a nice job pointing out there is still a significant difference and it could also be seen w/ Meeks in Indy (see Bob Sanders).

Even if you think Martin (who I am extremely high on) and Godfrey will be great together.....it still doesn't make sense to me to dump Harris for a backup LB. Which is the point of all this talk (my Godfrey opinion to the side)

[CRA]

Obviously there is no arguing he was bad. But Im speaking of his improvment after injury.Its ignorant to say he simply imporved his FF abillity, and thats all, everything else everybody noticed was wrong. Based on the exact same sources.

well, isn't that what you just argued in your prior post?