Leadership

[CRA]

How can they be leaders if not given the opportunity? Beason was given the opportunity and took his bat and ball and ran with it and look at him now. The leader of this defense. You still didn't answer my others questions in my post but that is all well and good.

How can you say someone is not a leader and you haven't even given the said player(s) the opportunity to be one? That confuses the hell out of me.

you are the one claiming they will be leaders. You got to put the work in first....don't see how they are going to be leaders when they haven't been given the opportunity and ceaesed it already in regards to play on the field.

[PantherBrew]

you are the one claiming they will be leaders. You got to put the work in first....don't see how they are going to be leaders when they haven't been given the opportunity and ceaesed it already in regards to play on the field.

We arn't saying they will. We are saying they could. Harris had to go sometime man.

[Darknight]

you are the one claiming they will be leaders. You got to put the work in first....don't see how they are going to be leaders when they haven't been given the opportunity and ceaesed it already in regards to play on the field.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make. You said that they have to put the work in right? I agree with you.

When Chris Harris got here in 2007, was he a leader at first? No. He was given an opportunity like you said.

Let's fast forward a bit to Brown, Johnson, Martin and a few others. Same situation as Harris when he arrived in 2007 but they will be given the opportunity to prove that they can or can't be.

I hope you understand the point I was trying to make. You are upset that we lost a leader but you don't know if these young guys can be leaders or not. Seriously, stop talking to Ms. Cleo about the future. There is a reaosn why she went to prison!

[monstercat]

Once again, how many team leaders and fan favorites have the Patriots, Eagles and Steelers cut loose in the last 10 years? They seem to find a way to consistently win games even though they do this kind of thing almost every year.

Besides that, some of you are actiing as if Chris Harris is a bonafide superstar and he's not. Yes, he's a good guy and a good player, but he is no superstar and the Panthers defense is not gonna fall apart without him. Sherrod Martin is gonna make plays that Harris could never make, and that trumps everything.

[Sword]

One could argue that you only need one Leader on the field at any time..everyone else should just be following..now as for depth at this mysterious "Leader" position; Everette Brown has been saying he wants to be a leader on the field..so there you go.

[CRA]

Once again, how many team leaders and fan favorites have the Patriots, Eagles and Steelers cut loose in the last 10 years? They seem to find a way to consistently win games even though they do this kind of thing almost every year.

Besides that, some of you are actiing as if Chris Harris is a bonafide superstar and he's not. Yes, he's a good guy and a good player, but he is no superstar and the Panthers defense is not gonna fall apart without him. Sherrod Martin is gonna make plays that Harris could never make, and that trumps everything.[/QUOTE]

Sherrod has never played a single game (college or pro) at SS. Maybe he will make the plays but it still makes no sense to trade Harris (leadership/depth) for a backup LB. Not w/ how our roster/depth is.

[monstercat]

What difference does it make which safety spot Martin plays? Most of the time it's just a matter of both safeties covering their side of the field anyway. They both have to play the run and they both have to cover.

[CRA]

What difference does it make which safety spot Martin plays? Most of the time it's just a matter of both safeties covering their side of the field anyway. They both have to play the run and they both have to cover.

but again, I think it is at least safe to say Godfrey can he questioned in both those aspects still. Martin is still a promising wildcard.

So why trade away your depth/leadership (even if you are ready to move toward the future with things being so unsteady and thin at S for a backup LB?

again, I have no problem letting Harris go at all. It just has to do w/ what they got for him.

[rayzor]

What difference does it make which safety spot Martin plays? Most of the time it's just a matter of both safeties covering their side of the field anyway. They both have to play the run and they both have to cover.

good point. in a cover 2 bith safeties have pretty much the same responsibilities. you have to be fast and decent in coverage. harris wasn't either of those.

there is very little difference between the two in this system. apparently there is very little difference in the Will and Sam positions as well.

[CRA]

good point. in a cover 2 bith safeties have pretty much the same responsibilities. you have to be fast and decent in coverage. harris wasn't either of those.

there is very little difference between the two in this system. apparently there is very little difference in the Will and Sam positions as well.

it is a good point. However, w/ the projected DL there is no way Carolina can survive playing a heavy cover 2. Cover 2 also relies on the front 4.....and you are talking about some extreme positive thinking suggesting this group can hack it.

[monstercat]

Our safeties have been pretty much interchangable since Fox has been the HC.

The days of everybody having that big hard hitting, run stuffing SS are gone. With so many offenses spreading you out with 4-5 WR's nowadays, you better have two safeties that can cover.

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

Captains should be Gross, Beason, Gamble, Kasay, Smith.

[panthers55]

What difference does it make which safety spot Martin plays? Most of the time it's just a matter of both safeties covering their side of the field anyway. They both have to play the run and they both have to cover.

Not totally true. In addition to the cover 2, Meeks runs a lot of cover 1 rover with the SS moving into the box to stop the run or playing the tight end or RB on a short pass. The SS has to be much better against the run than the FS who is usually 10-15 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.

[panthers55]

Our safeties have been pretty much interchangable since Fox has been the HC.

The days of everybody having that big hard hitting, run stuffing SS are gone. With so many offenses spreading you out with 4-5 WR's nowadays, you better have two safeties that can cover.

Not in meeks system. And the trend is going to safeties who can cover but it still takes a ss run stuffer to be effective. Meeks has always had that.

With 4-5 receivers you need more than safeties, you need corners and linebackers as well particularly in a cover 2. The whole defense is built on converging to the ball and limiting the YAC. But Tampa 2 are most effective with safeties who can cover but give the receivers a belt when they come over the middle.