Panthers free agents

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

I also think we're cutting Miles Sanders, Dane Jackson, Yosh Nijman, and ask Shy Tuttle to take a pay cut 

Tuttle sucked.

My list PRIORITIZED without Special team players

Jackson CB

Mays C

Christensen (I would put him at swing T and let him focus on those 2 positions--forget G and C)

Dalton QB (needs to be cheap--I would rather draft a QB in round 3 or so, but this year, we need our picks and Dalton and Bryce are tight)

Tremble  TE

Franks TE  (special teams)

David Moore (Not a bad 5th WR, could be cheap--WR market not loaded, so he could  be a one year deal.)

 

Tuttle?  Hell no!! Sucks.

Shaq?  Hell no--body shot, injury prone. will want $$ to play 4 games and go to IR.

 

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by MHS831

[Johnstonny]

14 hours ago, Jackson113.2 said:

Someone cooking on finance. 

...thats great but we only have 21m to spend at this point.

[Waldo]

Mike Jackson

The rest are in the hell no to they better do better range. BC would have to be overpaid and they need to draft a starter at OC which shouldn’t be him, he just isn'tgood enough. Dalton should retire, WTF is the point of a backup if he can't play more than one game before falling apart?

If you're doing this list then you should also look at the next category which is dead weight but still under contract in 2025 that should be dumped.

[MHS831]

27 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Mike Jackson

The rest are in the hell no to they better do better range. BC would have to be overpaid and they need to draft a starter at OC which shouldn’t be him, he just isn'tgood enough. Dalton should retire, WTF is the point of a backup if he can't play more than one game before falling apart?

If you're doing this list then you should also look at the next category which is dead weight but still under contract in 2025 that should be dumped.

I see this, but disagree that we need a C--Mays numbers were better than Corbett's and about on the same level as the two guards.  Now, I get that without the two guards he might struggle, but Mays quietly improved this year-as did Zavala.  Can Zavala play center?  So if you decide you want to retain Mays if possible, what tender do you put on him?  He was a sixth rounder.  I think (I dont keep up with this crap like some) we can put a second round tender on him at less than $5m, but I think, if you like his play, that an extension is the best bet, giving him about $4m per over 3 seasons.  He would take the security, imo.  You and others might argue that we could find a free agent who is better.  Either way, I think he needs to be on the roster and I think they need to have him compete.  (Rahm?)

YOU are right about Jackson--he was impressive. 

A good time to overhaul the Safety positions.

If I am a GM on another team, I am trying to trade a day 3 pick for Zavala.  He is ready to start in the NFL, in my opinion. 

Is Tremble worth a second contract?  200+ yards-his best season--good blocker.  I am on the fence because I think he was making strides--I am of the mindset that we need an Alpha TE--making Tremble's spot the #3 TE spot that a UDFA can play--maybe Matthews.

I agree that Christensen will attract more $$, but if he falls through the cracks, I would sign him and make him a pure swing T.  No G, No C.  Nijman was terrible, but a young OT in the draft to groom behind Moton might be the smartest option.  Moton is getting older and has some knee pain.  Not good for a big man--but it could be nothing.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by MHS831

[MHS831]

How do we have no dead cap, no QB on a second contract, no expensive edge, no expensive CB yet, no expensive WR, etc. and we only have 30m in cap room? 
It seems to me that we need to extend/rework some OG and RT deals. 

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I see this, but disagree that we need a C--Mays numbers were better than Corbett's and about on the same level as the two guards.  Now, I get that without the two guards he might struggle, but Mays quietly improved this year-as did Zavala.  So if you decide you want to retain Mays if possible, what tender do you put on him?  He was a sixth rounder.  I think (I dont keep up with this crap like some) we can put a second round tender on him at less than $5m, but I think, if you like his play, that an extension is the best bet, giving him about $4m per over 3 seasons.  He would take the security, imo.  You and others might argue that we could find a free agent who is better.  Either way, I think he needs to be on the roster and I think they need to have him compete.  (Rahm?)

YOU are right about Jackson--he was impressive. 

A good time to overhaul the Safety positions.

If I am a GM on another team, I am trying to trade a day 3 pick for Zavala.  He is ready to start in the NFL, in my opinion. 

Is Tremble worth a second contract?  200+ yards-his best season--good blocker.  I am on the fence because I think he was making strides--I am of the mindset that we need an Alpha TE--making Tremble's spot the #3 TE spot that a UDFA can play--maybe Matthews.

I agree that Christensen will attract more $$, but if he falls through the cracks, I would sign him and make him a pure swing T.  No G, No C.  Nijman was terrible, but a young OT in the draft to groom behind Moton might be the smartest option.  Moton is getting older and has some knee pain.  Not good for a big man--but it could be nothing.

 

I just see Mays as a slightly less effective BC. He isn't good enough to be the starter IMO and brining in a 2nd round OC, like we should have for years now, will balance the youth the the age that the free agent signings last year made lopsided IMO. Draft a good OC so that unit stays good when an OG goes down, which will happen again in at least spots. No to BC anyways, the contracts last year suggest they need a new and good rookie to be that guy. It would be interesting to see what BC and Mays would take but if it's not backup money then no thank you.

Honestly if OC was the only offensive player drafted this year that wouldn't be bad IMO...a day 3 rb or TE being the exception. Keep Z unless someone offered a day 2 pick in my scenario.

Tremble is in the category of can you do better? It really shouldn't be hard to improve a smidge at least by looking elsewhere but if not then it also shouldn't be too difficult to bring him back. He is an example of where they should try to improve but not burn bridges at the same time.

[L-TownCat]

16 hours ago, Jackson113.2 said:

 

TE Tommy Tremble

WR David Moore

RB Mike Boone

CB Mike Jackson

S Sam Franklin

P Johnny Hekker

LS JJ Jansen

I can see these guys getting another run.

[thennek]

5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I just see Mays as a slightly less effective BC. He isn't good enough to be the starter IMO and brining in a 2nd round OC, like we should have for years now, will balance the youth the the age that the free agent signings last year made lopsided IMO. Draft a good OC so that unit stays good when an OG goes down, which will happen again in at least spots. No to BC anyways, the contracts last year suggest they need a new and good rookie to be that guy. It would be interesting to see what BC and Mays would take but if it's not backup money then no thank you.

Honestly if OC was the only offensive player drafted this year that wouldn't be bad IMO...a day 3 rb or TE being the exception. Keep Z unless someone offered a day 2 pick in my scenario.

Tremble is in the category of can you do better? It really shouldn't be hard to improve a smidge at least by looking elsewhere but if not then it also shouldn't be too difficult to bring him back. He is an example of where they should try to improve but not burn bridges at the same time.

You may be right about Mays but here is my question…. not necessarily directed at you to answer. If BC is better than Mays then why did Mays become the starting center over BC?
The Panthers o-line was one of the few bright spots this year. 

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, thennek said:

You may be right about Mays but here is my question…. not necessarily directed at you to answer. If BC is better than Mays then why did Mays become the starting center over BC?
The Panthers o-line was one of the few bright spots this year. 

Look at their PFFs for who was more effective. It's close with BC having the edge. It's imperfect but it's what's out there.

Second part? No idea. BC has been getting passed over the entire time here, regardless of if he should have or not. Maybe there is something we can't see from the bleachers? Just giving Mays a shot to take the spot because BC is a backup in their minds too?

Strengths falling to weaknesses can happen fast in the NFL. One devastating injury away from having less talent and a now bad contract to deal with. Brining in rookies helps balance that a little because their contracts are all easaly eatable after the first round and they give balance to the giant cost of good vet contracts who are also getting older and more vulnerable to injury.

 

[Jon Snow]

42 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

How do we have no dead cap, no QB on a second contract, no expensive edge, no expensive CB yet, no expensive WR, etc. and we only have 30m in cap room? 
It seems to me that we need to extend/rework some OG and RT deals. 

Doing that way too many times is why there's all the dead cap and very little space. It's the old I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today mindset GM's have in a effort to keep their jobs. 

[MHS831]

54 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I just see Mays as a slightly less effective BC. He isn't good enough to be the starter IMO and brining in a 2nd round OC, like we should have for years now, will balance the youth the the age that the free agent signings last year made lopsided IMO. Draft a good OC so that unit stays good when an OG goes down, which will happen again in at least spots. No to BC anyways, the contracts last year suggest they need a new and good rookie to be that guy. It would be interesting to see what BC and Mays would take but if it's not backup money then no thank you.

Honestly if OC was the only offensive player drafted this year that wouldn't be bad IMO...a day 3 rb or TE being the exception. Keep Z unless someone offered a day 2 pick in my scenario.

Tremble is in the category of can you do better? It really shouldn't be hard to improve a smidge at least by looking elsewhere but if not then it also shouldn't be too difficult to bring him back. He is an example of where they should try to improve but not burn bridges at the same time.

I think a lot of people share your opinion of Mays, and I did too at one time.  So I decided to watch his last four games--he was very good in pass protection. His form, footwork, and ability to see loops and stunts and blitzes is what made me rethink Mays.  His run blocking was decent, but being beside two studs he was getting help or reaching LBs most of the time--Hunt and Lewis did not pull that much, which would have been a challenge for Mays, imo because filling is usually a difficult block for centers, especially raw ones.  At first, Mays was susceptible to bull rushes, but he adjusted and using perfect technique, nearly eliminated having his name plate in Bryce's facemask.  To me, a center who keeps people out of Bryce's face is the most important trait, and surprisingly, Mays was really good at that. 

0: number of sacks surrendered by Cade Mays in 2024.

So feel good about possibly underestimating Mays.  I think he needs competition but we need a backup regardless.

[MHS831]

28 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Doing that way too many times is why there's all the dead cap and very little space. It's the old I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today mindset GM's have in a effort to keep their jobs. 

Good point--and we have been dedicated to eliminating the dead cap and paying players past their primes.