Diontae Johnson

[Jackie Lee]

 

[Panthercougar68]

He ain’t getting signed to anything close that would factor into the formula lol

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

3d chess

[frankw]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

THIS MIGHT PISS OFF SOME STEVE SMITH SR. FANS:  He WAS detrimental to this team.  Sure, he is on the hall of fame ballot and is probably our best player ever--but he punched 2 teammates--and that is the tip of the glacier.  Remember, I watched him haze and belittle Dwayne Jarrett at an OTA. Jarrett even reacted by giving me a hard hand slap when I mentioned it to him--.  I know bullying when I see it (educator who has written books about trauma caused by abuse and bullying) I have commented on the fact that nobody seemed to be friends with Smith except Kasay.  He was a bully and the coaches allowed it. Bunch of Alpha males chewing the tall grass.

Here is a list of all the WRs Steve Smith 'mentored" after they were drafted: 

2003: Walter Young

2004: Keary Colbert, Drew Carter

2007: Dwayne Jarrett, Rhyne Robinson

2010: Brandon Lafell,  Armanti Edward, David Gettis

2011: Kealoha Pilares

2012: Joe Adams

That is 10 WRs drafted and only 1 had some degree of success, Brandon Lafell, who averaged around 600 yards a season for 8 years in the NFL--it is noteworthy that his numbers increased after leaving Carolina for NE.  

This proves nothing, but it is interesting and coincides with the list of free agents we brought in during that time.  My argument:  It is possible that whatever Smith contributed to this team could be a result of bullying others into more diminished roles--Smith called it competition, and in fairness, he was the hardest practicing player I ever watched at OTAs over the years.  But it seems he was Napoleonic in his approach to teammates, possibly damaging the unit and keeping young players from developing--transitioning from college to the pros must be intimidating--especially when an established player is constantly attacking (challenging, to Smith) you as you are trying to learn the plays and culture.  It was so bad when I saw him doing it to Jarrett, it pissed me off.  I think Jarrett was pretty slow and was unsure of the plays etc--it was his rookie OTAs. 

This is not proof, just an interesting possibility.  If you have ever had someone at your place of employment with some authority start harassing you, you might understand how a 21-year old kid might feel.

I mean I don't think you're going to get many people arguing with you about this overall. He's even acknowledged some of this himself. But we can't change what's already happened and there's no point dwelling on it. That doesn't mean we should sweep it under the rug. He was a heavily flawed human. But people can change and mature. From what it looks like he certainly has. So with that in mind when you assess his legacy with the franchise we should do so from a full perspective and take everything into account the good and the bad.

[Tbe]

23 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

Ravens being petty and playing 4D chess.

[TheSpecialJuan]

25 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

ESPN’s Adam Schefter carefully broke down what is ultimately a brilliant “procedural move” by the Ravens. Johnson is not eligible to play in this post-season and will not be “awarded” to the Ravens until after the Super Bowl. Schefter notes Johnson “qualifies as an unrestricted free agent this offseason and, if he signs with another team, he factors into Baltimore’s compensatory pick formula, potentially helping it obtain an additional draft pick in 2026.” Schefter adds that Johnson “likely won’t step foot back into the Ravens’ facility. But he now can help Baltimore in the off-season.”

[MHS831]

35 minutes ago, frankw said:

I mean I don't think you're going to get many people arguing with you about this overall. He's even acknowledged some of this himself. But we can't change what's already happened and there's no point dwelling on it. That doesn't mean we should sweep it under the rug. He was a heavily flawed human. But people can change and mature. From what it looks like he certainly has. So with that in mind when you assess his legacy with the franchise we should do so from a full perspective and take everything into account the good and the bad.

No, you are right.  Just ironic if he thwarted the careers of 2-3 other WRs in his efforts--I do not think he was trying to get the best out of DJ--I think he was competing with him--there is a difference, but nobody will know.  I also think he did the same thing with Clausen.  It is interesting, however, when you start drawing lines between who is cut due to the locker room stuff and who gets a pass--

[Mr. Scot]

39 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Ravens being petty and playing 4D chess.

 

No words... except to say I think we'll likely stay away from trying to fix guys with "attitude issues" in the future.

[Shotgun]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Dude just doesn't like football I guess. Either that or he's dumb as a rock.

I think he's just an asshole.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

ESPN’s Adam Schefter carefully broke down what is ultimately a brilliant “procedural move” by the Ravens. Johnson is not eligible to play in this post-season and will not be “awarded” to the Ravens until after the Super Bowl. Schefter notes Johnson “qualifies as an unrestricted free agent this offseason and, if he signs with another team, he factors into Baltimore’s compensatory pick formula, potentially helping it obtain an additional draft pick in 2026.” Schefter adds that Johnson “likely won’t step foot back into the Ravens’ facility. But he now can help Baltimore in the off-season.”

just an absolutely brilliant move

[Mr. Scot]

33 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I think he's just an asshole.

That's my take...

[Raleigh PF]

44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

No words... except to say I think we'll likely stay away from trying to fix guys with "attitude issues" in the future.

It's hard to "fix" guys without a good veteran presence around and the Panthers haven't had that since the old guard left (Keuchly, Olsen, Cam, etc.).