Would You Trade Draft Capital for a #1 WR???

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Anything besides a first is on the table.  If they don't think addressing the defense is a priority evero should just pack up and leave while he still can. 

I think people are reading into it wrong, especially the Bryce believers.

Because in reality it's not "our #1 priority this offseason is to get a WR" as much as it's "our #1 priority this offseason is to make sure Bryce succeeds"  

Which realistically should 100% be the priority over the defense.  We're at a fork in the road right now, if you're going the way that says Bryce is the QB of this team for the future, making sure he develops is WAAAYYYY more important than the defense this offseason.  As if Bryce doesn't build on this year, he's gone, 2025 will be his last year as the Panthers QB, no doubt about it.

So, which is it?

Our #1 priority this offseason is improving the defense or building up Bryce?

I'm an openly avid anti-Bryce guy, but even I know the answer to that is building him up.  If you're going that route with him, you gotta try and support him at all (reasonable) costs for this next season.  And if he then bombs, you have a ready built offense for the rookie or FA QB you bring in, we'd be the Falcons of last offseason, very attractive because of all the weapons.

Edited 2 hours ago by tukafan21

[tukafan21]

10 minutes ago, Shocker said:

No way to validate this idea which makes it someone’s guess more than likely.   I said Garrett Wilson and 42 for 8.  Have to be sure he will sign here cuz he wants to be paid soon

The problem with that is you then have to give him the deal this offseason, which will require using some of our cap room, which then hurts the defense even more as that's where we should be spending it.

Trade 8 back to the 12-15ish range, maybe get to pick up a 1st next year if someone is desperate, if not maybe say a 2nd this year and a couple 3/4's or a future 2nd feels about right to do that move.  Then you draft Burden and use the extra 2nd on another defensive player, all while not using up additional cap on Wilson's extension and that now going to the defense as well.

Rookie contracts are so important for rebuilding teams, so trading 1sts for vets is generally not the best idea for teams in our position, it's for contenders looking for the final piece to a SB puzzle.

Also, I think the Jets are going to want additional picks to a 1st in a trade for Wilson, not adding good picks back in themselves.

Edited 2 hours ago by tukafan21

[Shocker]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

The problem with that is you then have to give him the deal this offseason, which will require using some of our cap room, which then hurts the defense even more as that's where we should be spending it.

Trade 8 back to the 12-15ish range, maybe get to pick up a 1st next year if someone is desperate, if not maybe say a 2nd this year and a couple 3/4's or a future 2nd feels about right to do that move.  Then you draft Burden and use the extra 2nd on another defensive player, all while not using up additional cap on Wilson's extension and that now going to the defense as well.

I understand where you are coming from by Garrett is a proven commodity I would pay money too.  You have to spend your cap eventually  

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Shocker said:

I understand where you are coming from by Garrett is a proven commodity I would pay money too.  You have to spend your cap eventually  

Yea, spend it on the defense on proven commodities in free agency.

Trading away 8 and using cap for that same offensive asset is only going to compound our defensive issues.  I'd rather take the chance on an unproven commodity in Burden and be able to add other draft assets and use all our cap on the defense, than get Wilson and lesser defensive pieces.

I love the idea of Wilson, I just hate the thought of 8 or any future 1st being involved in getting him as we're not a WR away from contending.

[tukafan21]

And I still think all the Wilson talk is moot anyways.

He hates Rodgers, I don't think Rodgers is going to be back with the Jets, hence I don't think Wilson asks for or is traded.

[PadresPanthersFan]

44 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Do not trade another Day 1 or Day 2 draft pick again. Ever. This team is 0-for-infinity doing that.

Greg Olsen has entered the chat...

[CPF4LIFE]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

I think people are reading into it wrong, especially the Bryce believers.

Because in reality it's not "our #1 priority this offseason is to get a WR" as much as it's "our #1 priority this offseason is to make sure Bryce succeeds"  

Which realistically should 100% be the priority over the defense.  We're at a fork in the road right now, if you're going the way that says Bryce is the QB of this team for the future, making sure he develops is WAAAYYYY more important than the defense this offseason.  As if Bryce doesn't build on this year, he's gone, 2025 will be his last year as the Panthers QB, no doubt about it.

So, which is it?

Our #1 priority this offseason is improving the defense or building up Bryce?

I'm an openly avid anti-Bryce guy, but even I know the answer to that is building him up.  If you're going that route with him, you gotta try and support him at all costs for this next season.  And if he then bombs, you have a ready built offense for the rookie or FA QB you bring in, we'd be the Falcons of last offseason, very attractive because of all the weapons.

Dude...THAT WAS THE PRIORITY LAST OFF SEASON. Did you not see the FA moves and the draft? Everything done was to help bryce. What has been the number complaint by fans in general ALL season? The DEFENSE...the defense has took the lashes by everybody, evero has been criticized all year and even suggested to be fired. They set a record for points given up or something like that. I think bryces development hindering on a receiver is not that black and white. Bryce has a lot of Thing he can improve on. I think having a top 10 o line and a reliable run game already makes things easier.  You can improve the receiver room without investing that much  and bryce makes them better of he improves. This teams problem is that it's way to unbalanced. The thing about development is that it doesn't necessarily include winning games which is what we have to start doing at some point while we have Bryce on a rookie deal. Gotta start building a complete team sooner than later to make that happen. 

[cookinbrak]

If we could get Garrett Wilson for a 2nd, hell yeah.

[tukafan21]

 

9 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Dude...THAT WAS THE PRIORITY LAST OFF SEASON. Did you not see the FA moves and the draft? Everything done was to help bryce. What has been the number complaint by fans in general ALL season? The DEFENSE...the defense has took the lashes by everybody, evero has been criticized all year and even suggested to be fired. They set a record for points given up or something like that. I think bryces development hindering on a receiver is not that black and white. Bryce has a lot of Thing he can improve on. I think having a top 10 o line and a reliable run game already makes things easier.  You can improve the receiver room without investing that much  and bryce makes them better of he improves. This teams problem is that it's way to unbalanced. The thing about development is that it doesn't necessarily include winning games which is what we have to start doing at some point while we have Bryce on a rookie deal. Gotta start building a complete team sooner than later to make that happen. 

Just because it was a priority last season, doesn't mean the job is finished, especially when Bryce realistically has one season to prove he can be the guy or if we have to replace him.  

"Winning games while we have Bryce on a rookie deal" is pretty much meaningless right now as no matter what we do this offseason, we're not fixing all of our holes and being able to contend this year anyways.

So again, I go back to the #1 goal of the 2025 season, find out if Bryce is our long term QB solution or not.  Best way to do that, is you get him a #1 WR and then it's on him to sink or swim as you have a fully built offense at his disposal.  And that's something we just don't have for him with a WR room of XL, Thielen, and Coker.

And again, nobody is saying there is only one priority.  Nobody is saying "we need a WR, screw everything else"

I think it's just their way of saying they know finding out what Bryce can be is more important than fixing the defense, as it should be.  Any team's #1 goal should always be to figure out their long term QB solution, if you have it you can have a different #1 goal, but if you don't, that's it.

Edited 2 hours ago by tukafan21

[TD alt]

Like everything else, it depends upon the value. I'm vehemently opposed to spendthrift ways when it comes to draft capital, particularly first round draft picks.

[outlaw4]

If anything, we need even more draft capital to get some more building blocks for this team rather than gifting them away for failed projects that eat up our cap. And considering how awful our defense was and that you kinda that need for an actual playoff run, this is where our most valuable resources should go.

As for weapons, part of me feels that this is where Canales needs to show his worth as an offensively minded coach and get our current pieces - XL/Coker/Sanders - to do a lot more in year two. That and make improvements as a play designer and caller.

And honestly, I'm not as high on this year's batch of free agent WRs as others. They're overhyped, old, and/or are injury prone enough that we can't rely on them. There are one or two names I would consider but they're more to replace Thielen as the veteran of the group. Otherwise, use a mid/late round pick on a receiver because there's too many examples of those guys becoming major contributors. 

[Aussie Tank]

We will get a Keenan Allen or something I'm guessing. We weren't afraid of age bringing in Thielen

[tukafan21]

14 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

We will get a Keenan Allen or something I'm guessing. We weren't afraid of age bringing in Thielen

Nah, Allen has made his money and fell off a cliff this year, I think he chases a ring and takes a cheap deal to go to a contender than try to make a little more money being a #1 for a bad team like us.

But I could see us doing it with someone like Amari Cooper who is 3 years younger and might want one last pay day.

Edited 1 hour ago by tukafan21

[ECHornet]

Keenan Allen said in a recent podcast it’ll be the Bears, LA, or retirement for him.