Anyone left who does not believe in Bryce ?

[Paper Bagged Fan]

51 minutes ago, Frank9999 said:

Bryce really broke out in 2nd half of the season, it was clear as day. 

Yet still has a sub 80 Rating .. 177 YPG

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Why do some of you feel like you have to disprove the legitimacy of anything that paints Bryce Young in a positive light? Kinda weird when he's the QB of the team you root for and he showed huge improvement his second season. Is it just a habit now?

Because we traded 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and our best offensive player to get him and he's now 1 season away from when franchise QB's get signed to contract extensions.  We shouldn't be anointing him as a franchise QB after a couple small moments of positive things at this point in his career, he should be clearly showing that he's the guy, if he's going to be THE guy.

2 years into his career with 28 starts and he has only one 300 yard game, 17 games UNDER 200 yards, 26 passing TDs (yes, he has 6 rushing), and 19 INTs, and only 5 games with a QBR over 61.  Yes, he had a BIG game in week 18, but before that, he wasn't lighting defenses up, he was playing serviceably against poor defenses.   

Showing "huge improvement" like you said isn't quite as impressive when that huge improvement was from looking like legitimately the biggest bust in draft history.  

In the 10 starts after his benching, the timeframe people are pointing to his turnaround, he had a grand total of 3 games where he had more than 224 yards passing, with 2 of them coming in OT against 2 of the worst pass defenses in the league this year.

Not saying you don't ask a valid question, but the above is the valid response to it.  While at the same time we can ask the question of.... Why do all the Bryce truthers put so much weight behind his Week 18 game and disregard the previous 27 starts he made?

Matt Flynn went 31-44 for 480 yards, 6 TDs, and 1 INT in the final week of the season.  

One big game in the final week doesn't make for a franchise QB, but on here, people are taking that game as the definitive proof that we found our long term QB solution.

Edited 6 hours ago by tukafan21

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Because we traded 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and our best offensive player to get him and he's now 1 season away from when franchise QB's get signed to contract extensions.  We shouldn't be anointing him as a franchise QB after a couple small moments of positive things at this point in his career, he should be clearly showing that he's the guy, if he's going to be THE guy.

2 years into his career with 28 starts and he has only one 300 yard game, 17 games UNDER 200 yards, 26 passing TDs (yes, he has 6 rushing), and 19 INTs, and only 5 games with a QBR over 61.  Yes, he had a BIG game in week 18, but before that, he wasn't lighting defenses up, he was playing serviceably against poor defenses.   

Showing "huge improvement" like you said isn't quite as impressive when that huge improvement was from looking like legitimately the biggest bust in draft history.  

In the 10 starts after his benching, the timeframe people are pointing to his turnaround, he had a grand total of 3 games where he had more than 224 yards passing, with 2 of them coming in OT against 2 of the worst pass defenses in the league this year.

Not saying you don't ask a valid question, but the above is the valid response to it.  While at the same time we can ask the question of.... Why do all the Bryce truthers put so much weight behind his Week 18 game and disregard the previous 27 starts he made?

Matt Flynn went 31-44 for 480 yards, 6 TDs, and 1 INT in the final week of the season.  

One big game in the final week doesn't make for a franchise QB, but on here, people are taking that game as the definitive proof that we found our long term QB solution.

[Joe Bear]

1 hour ago, Paper Bagged Fan said:

Yet still has a sub 80 Rating

Wanna bet?

[Joe Bear]

I saw Young put his team in a position to win (and does so if Legette could catch) against Philadelphia's defense. It appears they statistically have the best defense in the NFL. Are they a poor defense?

[Joe Bear]

8 hours ago, Shotgun said:

We're gonna see a lot of graphs this offseason arent we.

Graphs? I saw a lot of Next-Gen Passing Charts Week 1, 2 and 3. Wonder why I don't see as many now.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

I saw Young put his team in a position to win (and does so if Legette could catch) against Philadelphia's defense. It appears they statistically have the best defense in the NFL. Are they a poor defense?

::sigh::

[Paper Bagged Fan]

3 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Wanna bet?

[Joe Bear]

Just now, Paper Bagged Fan said:

Nice goalpost moving. Panthers could use you on their ops crew. Someone mentioned his second-half results, you brought up his career rating. Not terribly relevant to the conversation, considering he didn't have a sub-80 rating this season, did he? Why isn't that highlighted?

Take the bag off.

[Joe Bear]

I really don't see how you can say Young sucks because of his 2023 stats, while conveniently ignoring his 2024 stats after he was benched -- then act like you're dunking on someone? That's so weird.

[Joe Bear]

I don't even think the dude's that great, but these are some truly retarded takes from people who hate their favorite team with a passion.

[frankw]

34 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Because we traded 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and our best offensive player to get him and he's now 1 season away from when franchise QB's get signed to contract extensions.  We shouldn't be anointing him as a franchise QB after a couple small moments of positive things at this point in his career, he should be clearly showing that he's the guy, if he's going to be THE guy.

2 years into his career with 28 starts and he has only one 300 yard game, 17 games UNDER 200 yards, 26 passing TDs (yes, he has 6 rushing), and 19 INTs, and only 5 games with a QBR over 61.  Yes, he had a BIG game in week 18, but before that, he wasn't lighting defenses up, he was playing serviceably against poor defenses.   

Showing "huge improvement" like you said isn't quite as impressive when that huge improvement was from looking like legitimately the biggest bust in draft history.  

In the 10 starts after his benching, the timeframe people are pointing to his turnaround, he had a grand total of 3 games where he had more than 224 yards passing, with 2 of them coming in OT against 2 of the worst pass defenses in the league this year.

Not saying you don't ask a valid question, but the above is the valid response to it.  While at the same time we can ask the question of.... Why do all the Bryce truthers put so much weight behind his Week 18 game and disregard the previous 27 starts he made?

Matt Flynn went 31-44 for 480 yards, 6 TDs, and 1 INT in the final week of the season.  

One big game in the final week doesn't make for a franchise QB, but on here, people are taking that game as the definitive proof that we found our long term QB solution.

You're not wrong.

All we can do now is see how things shake out in 2025 and it's not like we get any say in it regardless so we might as well hope for the best.

[Joe Bear]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

::sigh::

I'm sorry, man. We agree on a lot of stuff, but saying he sucked against good defenses is a factually inaccurate statement.

[Paper Bagged Fan]

2 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Nice goalpost moving. Panthers could use you on their ops crew. Someone mentioned his second-half results, you brought up his career rating. Not terribly relevant to the conversation, considering he didn't have a sub-80 rating this season, did he? Why isn't that highlighted?

Take the bag off.

I don't move goal posts .. despite Bryce's 'awesome' second half his career stats are garbage is what I'm saying .. he even has less YPG in '24 than abysmal rookie year