Anyone left who does not believe in Bryce ?

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

To play devil’s advocate here, he was literally a top-20 QB this year in terms of QBR (and posted above a 100 QB rating the last three games of the season), so saying he’d never reach top-20 is a bit disingenuous. Top-10’s a stretch, but he’s already top-20 among most anyone’s list. 

He was 20th with the only QB’s ahead of him who aren’t likely still starters 5 years from now being Stafford, Jameis, and maybe Darnold.

Behind him was Dak’s injury shortened season, Caleb’s rookie year, and Stroud’s down sophomore season, all of whom I’d easily take over Bryce (Dak’s contract aside).  It also doesn’t include Penix or McCarthy, not to mention any other QB’s to enter the league in the next couple of years.

If you want to count that as Bryce being a top 20 QB, so be it, but he’s not going to be one over the next 5 year time period.

[TD alt]

4 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

He was 20th with the only QB’s ahead of him who aren’t likely still starters 5 years from now being Stafford, Jameis, and maybe Darnold.

Behind him was Dak’s injury shortened season, Caleb’s rookie year, and Stroud’s down sophomore season, all of whom I’d easily take over Bryce (Dak’s contract aside).  It also doesn’t include Penix or McCarthy, not to mention any other QB’s to enter the league in the next couple of years.

If you want to count that as Bryce being a top 20 QB, so be it, but he’s not going to be one over the next 5 year time period.

Some of you don't seem to understand how horrible a situation Bryce was in last year. You don't appear to fathom the scope. For all intents and purposes, it did absolutely nothing for his development as a pro but set him back. All that being said, I'm giving him a mulligan for that. His rookie year literally was 2023, but his rookie year was effectively 2024. From that perspective, things are not as black and white as you're trying to make it.

On an off note, you're proclaiming Bryce will never be a top 20 QB in the near future (if ever for the effect that the next five years would have outside the top 20), but you're already essentially claiming Tet McMillan a top 5 receiver. That's interesting.

Edited 21 hours ago by TD alt

[tukafan21]

5 hours ago, TD alt said:

Some of you don't seem to understand how horrible a situation Bryce was in last year. You don't appear to fathom the scope. For all intents and purposes, it did absolutely nothing for his development as a pro but set him back. All that being said, I'm giving him a mulligan for that. His rookie year literally was 2023, but his rookie year was effectively 2024. From that perspective, things are not as black and white as you're trying to make it.

On an off note, you're proclaiming Bryce will never be a top 20 QB in the near future (if ever for the effect that the next five years would have outside the top 20), but you're already essentially claiming Tet McMillan a top 5 receiver. That's interesting.

I've never once claimed T-Mac is already a Top 5 WR, what I've said is that he's going to be considered that by the time he's ready for his 2nd contract.

And yea, I think they are pretty black and white because what I think is keeping him from even having a chance at being an elite QB is the same thing I said my problem with him before we ever drafted him, his physical limitations will always limit what his upside can be.

Which his rookie year, no matter how bad the situation was, does nothing to change his physical issues at this level.

[Luciu5]

10 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

If you want to count that as Bryce being a top 20 QB, so be it, but he’s not going to be one over the next 5 year time period.

How prescient of you

[Joe Bear]

We don't know what Bryce Young's going to be yet. Different samples have yielded wildly different results. So let's not guess top-10, top-20 or out of the NFL.

[Paper Bagged Fan]

4 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

We don't know what Bryce Young's going to be yet. Different samples have yielded wildly different results. So let's not guess top-10, top-20 or out of the NFL.

Yeah exactly .. after 30 games we don't know what Bryce is yet but we know his 70's career Rating / 175 passing per game isn't his fault

[Joe Bear]

Just now, Paper Bagged Fan said:

Yeah exactly .. after 30 games we don't know what Bryce is yet but we know his 70's career Rating / 175 passing per game isn't his fault

Take off the bag.

[tukafan21]

12 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

How prescient of you

Who of these guys are you taking Bryce over (as players only, contracts don't matter for the discussion since it's just who is better than the other)?

Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Goff, Love, Daniels, Purdy, Murray, Dak, Maye, Nix, Lawrence, Baker, Tua, Stroud, and Caleb?

As that's 19 QB's right there and there is no chance I'm taking Bryce over any of them over the next 5 seasons.

Then factor in the older guys who are still better than Bryce right now like Stafford, Geno, Wilson.  Add in the younger unproven guys who very well still might be better like Penix or McCarthy, and you might be able to even add Darnold to that list.  Or even Richardson who while he's struggled, his physical abilities still give him a higher potential ceiling if he figures it out.  Now add in any rookies who will come in over the next 2-3 years (I'd take Arch over Bryce right now at a minimum).

Are you really going to say you think he has the potential to be a Top 20 QB over the next 5 years when you look at that list?

I just don't see how he's going to be better than those guys (health aside of course as it's always an unknown).  And this isn't me saying I think all these guys are elite SB caliber QB's, because a lot of them clearly aren't, they're just better than Bryce, and that's my point in all of this.  I just don't see Bryce as ever being THAT kinda guy.

Edited 16 hours ago by tukafan21

[Paper Bagged Fan]

4 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Take off the bag.

Not a chance .. I'm baffled every Panthers fan isn't as embarrassed as I am

[Waldo]

Hilarious cope in Pantherland. Bryce gets beat down by a Bucs team with terrible pass defense that couldn't even win 1 game in the wild card round and then bearly wins agaisnt the Falcons in a lame divisional game which somehow solidifies Young as the future. What a sad circlejerk Panther's fandom has evolved into.

It's all so embarrassing but at least it's entertaining.

[Luciu5]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

 

Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Goff, Love, Daniels, Purdy, Murray, Dak, Maye, Nix, Lawrence, Baker, Tua, Stroud, and Caleb?

Right now today? Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow

Maybe Hurts, (big) MAYBE Herbert esp. after that game.

That's it.

Caleb, Daniels, Maye, Nix, and Stroud are TBD. Bryce is honestly in this group as well but he's on our team now and those guys aren't. I'm not swapping one unknown for another today. I'm certain at least 1 of these guys will end up better than Bryce, but I can't say who that will be. I do not have clairvoyance like you.

Regarding Bryce being top 20 QB. IF he continues to play like he has in the last 10 games, then he is a top 15 QB already. I am hoping he will.

Look, Bryce is an odd duck. Biggest bust in draft history. Got sent to the bench and six weeks later he looks like another QB. He's posting 100+ passer ratings in multiple games. He's going TD for TD with Pat Mahomes. But then there's Dallas. 1 stinker in a string of games where he looked better than the last game, over and over again.

When we see him again, will he be Week 1 Bryce or Week 18 Bryce? Idk, but those just discounting his play over the last 10 games are probably being foolish. 36% of his career he's looked decent to amazing. This is a what have you done for me lately league and lately bryce young has been hot.

Nah, I'm not trading Bryce for anybody except those 4 today. Otherwise I'm sticking with Bryce to see if he continues to do what he's been doing and can he maintain this level play. That is my biggest question with Bryce. Can he keep playing like this and how often are we going to have a Dallas game with him?

Come back to me this time next year about those other guys. My opinion will be different then one way or another.

[tukafan21]

24 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

Right now today? Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow

Maybe Hurts, (big) MAYBE Herbert esp. after that game.

That's it.

Caleb, Daniels, Maye, Nix, and Stroud are TBD. Bryce is honestly in this group as well but he's on our team now and those guys aren't. I'm not swapping one unknown for another today. I'm certain at least 1 of these guys will end up better than Bryce, but I can't say who that will be. I do not have clairvoyance like you.

Regarding Bryce being top 20 QB. IF he continues to play like he has in the last 10 games, then he is a top 15 QB already. I am hoping he will.

Look, Bryce is an odd duck. Biggest bust in draft history. Got sent to the bench and six weeks later he looks like another QB. He's posting 100+ passer ratings in multiple games. He's going TD for TD with Pat Mahomes. But then there's Dallas. 1 stinker in a string of games where he looked better than the last game, over and over again.

When we see him again, will he be Week 1 Bryce or Week 18 Bryce? Idk, but those just discounting his play over the last 10 games are probably being foolish. 36% of his career he's looked decent to amazing. This is a what have you done for me lately league and lately bryce young has been hot.

Nah, I'm not trading Bryce for anybody except those 4 today. Otherwise I'm sticking with Bryce to see if he continues to do what he's been doing and can he maintain this level play. That is my biggest question with Bryce. Can he keep playing like this and how often are we going to have a Dallas game with him?

Come back to me this time next year about those other guys. My opinion will be different then one way or another.

LOL this is literally the most delusional post I've ever seen on a sports message board before.

There are only 4 QB's in the NFL that you'd trade Bryce Young for right now?!?!?!?!

Literally batshit crazy right there, absolutely utterly insane.  Hell, I'm even on record as saying I don't think Daniels will be a starting QB 5 years from now because of his style of play and I think he's going to get hurt, so I'd accept you not trading for him on that thought, but if you remove the injury concern, there is no possible reason for sticking with Bryce over him, none at all.

Even if you wanted to pick a few of those QB's you wouldn't trade him for, I'd accept that as an acceptable response, even if one I'd disagree with.  But if you called up any of the teams of the other QB's you listed as maybes or too early to tell and offered them a swap, they wouldn't even bother laughing at you before hanging up the phone.

Herbert just had 3,900 yards on 66% completion with 23 TDs, 3 INTs, another 300 yards and 2 TDs on the ground... but you wouldn't trade Bryce freaking Young for him because he had a bad playoff game?!?!?!

That alone is the most disqualifying statement possible for your judgement of players, just crazy.

And that's just touching on the other players, but then you say Bryce has looked "decent" over the last 10 games, which in itself, is more exaggeration based on his previous play than an accurate statement in a vacuum.  Over those 10 games he had 3 games over 225 yards passing and not a single game of 300, with only 3 games over 62% completion as well.

It's not like he was lighting it up, he was just playing serviceable game management QB play until the final game of the season.  If you want to talk about the hope of building on that, I can't fault you.  But if you want to use those 10 games to say you wouldn't trade him for anyone but FOUR other QB's in the league right now and you're just fooling yourself.

Edited 13 hours ago by tukafan21

[Luciu5]

35 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

LOL this is literally the most delusional post I've ever seen on a sports message board before.

There are only 4 QB's in the NFL that you'd trade Bryce Young for right now?!?!?!?!

Literally batshit crazy right there, absolutely utterly insane.  Hell, I'm even on record as saying I don't think Daniels will be a starting QB 5 years from now because of his style of play and I think he's going to get hurt, so I'd accept you not trading for him on that thought, but if you remove the injury concern, there is no possible reason for sticking with Bryce over him, none at all.

Even if you wanted to pick a few of those QB's you wouldn't trade him for, I'd accept that as an acceptable response, even if one I'd disagree with.  But if you called up any of the teams of the other QB's you listed as maybes or too early to tell and offered them a swap, they wouldn't even bother laughing at you before hanging up the phone.

Herbert just had 3,900 yards on 66% completion with 23 TDs, 3 INTs, another 300 yards and 2 TDs on the ground... but you wouldn't trade Bryce freaking Young for him because he had a bad playoff game?!?!?!

That alone is the most disqualifying statement possible for your judgement of players, just crazy.

And that's just touching on the other players, but then you say Bryce has looked "decent" over the last 10 games, which in itself, is more exaggeration based on his previous play than an accurate statement in a vacuum.  Over those 10 games he had 3 games over 225 yards passing and not a single game of 300, with only 3 games over 62% completion as well.

It's not like he was lighting it up, he was just playing serviceable game management QB play until the final game of the season.  If you want to talk about the hope of building on that, I can't fault you.  But if you want to use those 10 games to say you wouldn't trade him for anyone but FOUR other QB's in the league right now and you're just fooling yourself.

Cool story bro. Game manager had a lot of throws making peoples mouth drop. Idk you're the psychic so hard to argue there.

Maybe Bryce crashes back down next year or maybe he's even better. Idk but you do right?

[tukafan21]

6 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

Cool story bro. Game manager had a lot of throws making peoples mouth drop. Idk you're the psychic so hard to argue there.

Maybe Bryce crashes back down next year or maybe he's even better. Idk but you do right?

Even if he has a borderline pro bowl season next year, there would still be at minimum 10 QB's out there that teams wouldn't even pick up the phone if we called to offer a swap.

Saying there are only 4 QB's you'd trade Bryce for is the definition of the most homer take I've ever seen.