Abdul Carter

[LinvilleGorge]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

If we fuging trade up to get Carter, fire everyone and do it yesterday.

Yeah, I like him a lot but we have way too many needs to be sacrificing draft capital to move up. Big moves up should be limited to QBs or teams who think they're just a key piece or two away from being a legit contender.

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I like him a lot but we have way too many needs to be sacrificing draft capital to move up. Big moves up should be limited to QBs or teams who think they're just a key piece or two away from being a legit contender.

I am not a fan personally. I think he is a very poor man's Brian Burns and that isn't worth the #8 pick.

[LinvilleGorge]

39 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not a fan personally. I think he is a very poor man's Brian Burns and that isn't worth the #8 pick.

I honestly don't see the Burns comp at all. I doubt there's any non-Panthers fans out there making that comp. Carter seems to have quite a bit more playing strength than Burns.

[countryboi]

I worry a bit about his size and it allowing him to play every down

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly don't see the Burns comp at all. I doubt there's any non-Panthers fans out there making that comp. Carter seems to have quite a bit more playing strength than Burns.

I would disagree. Carter is a substantially less effective pass rusher than Burns.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I would disagree. Carter is a substantially less effective pass rusher than Burns.

I'm not just talking about rushing the passer. I'd take a lesser pass rusher if he played the run better. Burns has always been a good pass rusher but he's also always been an absolute liability when the opposing offense runs right at him. He's a good pursuit tackler but he can't set an edge or get off a block to save his life. Pretty much all of his success comes from simply beating an OT around the edge with pure speed. There's no plan B.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not just talking about rushing the passer. I'd take a lesser pass rusher if he played the run better. Burns has always been a good pass rusher but he's also always been an absolute liability when the opposing offense runs right at him. He's a good pursuit tackler but he can't set an edge or get off a block to save his life. Pretty much all of his success comes from simply beating an OT around the edge with pure speed. There's no plan B.

Yes, and I mean that Carter is more effective in basically every single aspect of his game than Carter.

I am an outlier, I really, really, REALLY dislike Carter. I think he is a massive bust waiting to happen.

[3838]

2 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

This team needs some thugs. 

No we don't....

[CPF4LIFE]

32 minutes ago, 3838 said:

No we don't....

I said thugs...not murderers or intent to commit murders.

More importantly im talking about players that play with a mean enforcer streak on the field. 

Edited 3 hours ago by CPF4LIFE

[LinvilleGorge]

46 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes, and I mean that Carter is more effective in basically every single aspect of his game than Carter.

I am an outlier, I really, really, REALLY dislike Carter. I think he is a massive bust waiting to happen.

I'm to the point that it never really shocks me when a prospect busts but honestly I see Carter as a much more developed prospect than Burns was coming out which makes sense since Carter is being talked about as a potential top 5 pick and Burns was a mid-1st rounder.

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm to the point that it never really shocks me when a prospect busts but honestly I see Carter as a much more developed prospect than Burns was coming out which makes sense since Carter is being talked about as a potential top 5 pick and Burns was a mid-1st rounder.

See, I view it quite a bit differently. Carter is a far, far less developed prospect than Burns.

[LinvilleGorge]

19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

See, I view it quite a bit differently. Carter is a far, far less developed prospect than Burns.

Burns was a one trick pony coming into the draft and he largely still is. That's not Carter at all. I mean, he was largely a stand up off the ball LB prior to this season. 

[Chief Keek]

So get rid of Brian Burns to draft a smaller lighter Brian Burns.

[kungfoodude]

36 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Burns was a one trick pony coming into the draft and he largely still is. That's not Carter at all. I mean, he was largely a stand up off the ball LB prior to this season. 

That is sort of what I mean. He isn't even a real EDGE. He is a LB in ED clothing.