Panthers and Horn talks will be interesting

[csx]

1 hour ago, Stingray3030 said:

Actually there is a reason - Free Agency.  We have 8 weeks and this is a huge unknown for how much money we have to spend for the next 3-6 years.  If this doesn't get done fairly soon we should be concerned about it happening at all.

Brown was extended in April going in to his 5th year option. No immediate rush.

 

[Mistuh Jones]

IMO he's the best, most consistent corner we've had since freaking Chris Gamble. Pay the man. 

[Khaki Lackey]

33 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Hate to say it but if he needs Pat Surtain money, let him walk. For something lower but still good compensation, re-sign. He’s a good albeit not always healthy player. Focus on the pass rush and deal with one tier lower coverage if your rush can get to the QB. I mean look at what Ron did with garbage at corner for years with quality pass rushers 

Remember Norman and Bradberry? The front 7 makes a difference for sure, but it's not like elite DL grow on trees either.

[kungfoodude]

12 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Has Horn ever shown he is a consistent shut down CB? He has 5 INTs, 0 FF, 26 PDs, and 2 sacks in 37 starts. He hasn't been able to stay healthy for an entire season, and he has never been the deciding factor in a single game. He has not shown himself to be a playmaker even with his athleticism to be around the ball.

Extending players who fail to show they can be consistent after 4 seasons is crazy. If you didn’t want Norman and Gilmore extended, why would you want Horn extended beyond his 5th year option? I doubt he's taking a discount to stay with Evero.

I would say not consistently but he has been able to shut down his side of the field at times. I don't think he really fits as well with the Evero scheme. 

I also don't have an issue with him not being a crazy high INT guy. Being a shut down guy is more valuable than a guy like Donte Jackson, who is an insane ball hawk but because of that gets beat quite a bit.

Edited 1 hour ago by kungfoodude

[Lame Duck]

Tag and trade baby!  Tag and trade!

[Peon Awesome]

With his injury history, he's definitely someone you have to consider letting play out his tag if his agent is being unreasonable. You can't pay him top tier corner money and hope he can actually stay healthy for 4-5 years. The reality is, we can afford to retag him next year if he has another strong, healthy year and leverage that into a new contract in 2026. At least then, if he's proven two consecutive elite, healthy seasons, you don't really worry as much with paying top tier money.

I have to think Horn also realizes if he is injured again next year, he loses his chance of ever seeing a big 2nd contract. If we push the guarantees, maybe he lives with sacrificing $20 million or so to ensure he is set up for life. Would you take 5 years, $85 million with $60 mil guaranteed now, or play on the tag next year, pray you don't get injured and hope for a 5 year, $110 million, $80 mil guaranteed next year vs possibility of getting injured and having to settle for a 1 year $10 million prove it 2nd contract. I'm sure that's where the discussions are going to be.

[Stingray3030]

1 hour ago, csx said:

Brown was extended in April going in to his 5th year option. No immediate rush.

 

1 specific example that is a completely different situation with no context - I guess my comments about an entire subject has been proven wrong.  Welcome to Millennial/Zenial logic, good grief.