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Panthers and Horn talks will be interesting

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He is undoubtedly a top corner in the league when he’s on the field. The issue has always been he’s not on the field a lot due to injury. Not sure how that impacts the negotiations but if he didn’t have injury concerns I think he’d undoubtedly reset the CB market. 

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10 minutes ago, Adb6368 said:

He is undoubtedly a top corner in the league when he’s on the field. The issue has always been he’s not on the field a lot due to injury. Not sure how that impacts the negotiations but if he didn’t have injury concerns I think he’d undoubtedly reset the CB market. 

I can’t understand why he would reset the CB market above what Surtain makes. 

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I don't want to lose him because he is very dedicated to the team and an important presence. At the same time this defense has so many needs and we can't afford to break the bank on one corner while the rest of the defense is...well....sh*t.

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I think this site over values him.  Is he our best DB yes and it ain’t even close.  Is he top 10 corner? I dunno had some games where teams didn’t look too scared to throw his way. And don’t get me started on the injury thing.  I’ll pretty much bet if we sign him to a big contract he doesn’t play half the year. I’m skeptical of players who seem to have good years when it’s contract time 

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1 hour ago, Cuttinedge said:

I think this site over values him.  Is he our best DB yes and it ain’t even close.  Is he top 10 corner? I dunno had some games where teams didn’t look too scared to throw his way. And don’t get me started on the injury thing.  I’ll pretty much bet if we sign him to a big contract he doesn’t play half the year. I’m skeptical of players who seem to have good years when it’s contract time 

He made the Pro Bowl after not making top 10 in fan voting. So that means players and coaches voted him in. I'd say we night underrate him.

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8 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

He’s getting paid. There should be zero doubt about that. He’s not leaving Carolina, he’s a top tier CB and you don’t let them leave. 

He's a top tier QB who has a history of injuries. If he expects Surtain money, what do you think is going to happen?

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im guessing about 20-22m/yr starting in 2026 and letting his 12m cap this year stay, like they did with Derrick Browns contract. Surtain and Ramsey have 24m average, and they're more reliable in playtime and availability.

Ideally, I think  starting it at 20m with incentives to potentially get to 22m if he can play a certain amount of games a year. Sometimes, the best ability is availability, and if he'd been healthy he'd be in the national radar more than just the Pro Bowl this year imho

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Amazing all the fans on this board that continually want to overpay for players. Burns was overrated as hell and some on this board went into mourning when he got traded. Now he's doing fug all in new York and getting a huge paycheck. 

You don't pay an elite guy, elite money, to be elite half the time. 

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