If I told you two days ago...

[Sloth]

The Bills are really good at scouting QBs and other players in general, obviously given their success at the position in recent years. In fact, their overall success in recent years really shows that we should model our franchise to show the sound decision making that they do when it comes to personnel evaluation. The Browns and Raiders are also good examples to look towards, after all they had to foresight to spend the #1 overall pick on Tim Couch and Jamarcus Russell respectively.

The Panthers are an example of exemplary QB drafting and development. Stupid Bills and Raiders are just jealous.

[SmootsDaddy89]

lol at huggers who think they are pro NFL scouts

Clausen a Franchise QB? He had enough red flags to drop to the middle of the second round. If we had passed on him, 3/4 of the people who love the pick would be ragging on him and making bad Brady Quinn jokes.

This game is fun.

Yes, because hating someone who isn't on your team, but liking them if they were drafted or traded to your team is completely irrational!

Clausen isn't special.

[SmootsDaddy89]

The Panthers are an example of exemplary QB drafting and development. Stupid Bills and Raiders are just jealous.

We're definitely an example of exceptional EVALUATING of QB talent.

[Sloth]

Clausen isn't special.

Agreed

[X-Clown]

lol at huggers who think they are pro NFL scouts

Clausen a Franchise QB? He had enough red flags to drop to the middle of the second round. If we had passed on him, 3/4 of the people who love the pick would be ragging on him and making bad Brady Quinn jokes.

This game is fun.

Aaron Rodgers had enough red flags that he dropped all the way to 25th overall while Alex Smith went #1 in the same draft. The funny part is, if Moore flopped this coming year, some of the same people who are whining about the pick now would the same ones making emo posts next offseason about how the Panthers never try to draft a guy who has promise and who could be the next Aaron Rodgers.

[X-Clown]

The Panthers are an example of exemplary QB drafting and development. Stupid Bills and Raiders are just jealous.

Why do I get the feeling that you're probably one of the posters that as recently as six months ago whined incessantly that the Panthers never even try to draft and develop a quarterback?

[Sloth]

Aaron Rodgers had enough red flags that he dropped all the way to 25th overall while Alex Smith went #1 in the same draft. The funny part is, if Moore flopped this coming year, some of the same people who are whining about the pick now would the same ones making emo posts next offseason about how the Panthers never try to draft a guy who has promise and who could be the next Aaron Rodgers.

So now was the right time to draft douchebag and hope he might turn into a franchise guy? The season after Moore goes 4-1 as a starter and was in top 5 for QB stats during his stretch?

poo, we may want to go RB early next year, we only went 4-1 with Stewart in.

[Sloth]

Why do I get the feeling that you're probably one of the posters that as recently as six months ago whined incessantly that the Panthers never even try to draft and develop a quarterback?

Why do I get the feeling that you're one of those posters that just chirps incessantly about the front office, pretty much no matter what?

[X-Clown]

So now was the right time to draft douchebag and hope he might turn into a franchise guy? The season after Moore goes 4-1 as a starter and was in top 5 for QB stats during his stretch?

Given that our first pick was in the 2nd round and we don't have to rush the guy into the lineup barring a complete meltdown from our current starter, yeah I don't have a problem with drafting a "douchebag" who could turn out to be the quarterback of the future and not paying him like one at this point. He might or might not end up being the guy, but we didn't have to give up anything to get him. And god forbid if Moore gets hurt (because you know, that has never happened to our quarterbacks before) or if he doesn't do as well as he did in a 5 game stretch, we might be able to put someone with a better pedigree than Hunter Cantwell behind center. To me it makes sense to have a strong running game flanking a young quarterback instead of waiting to draft one early in the first round without it (see Flacco with the Ravens, Sanchez with the Jets, Big Ben with the Steelers in his first year for examples).

[Sloth]

Given that our first pick was in the 2nd round and we don't have to rush the guy into the lineup barring a complete meltdown from our current starter, yeah I don't have a problem with drafting a "douchebag" who could turn out to be the quarterback of the future and not paying him like one at this point. He might or might not end up being the guy, but we didn't have to give up anything to get him. And god forbid if Moore gets hurt (because you know, that has never happened to our quarterbacks before) or if he doesn't do as well as he did in a 5 game stretch, we might be able to put someone with a better pedigree than Hunter Cantwell behind center. To me it makes sense to have a strong running game flanking a young quarterback instead of waiting to draft one early in the first round without it (see Flacco with the Ravens, Sanchez with the Jets, Big Ben with the Steelers in his first year for examples).

When you're worried your starting QB might get injured at some point, you grab a backup guy. Not like any of those were floating around. We just grabbed Moore's replacement. You know it, I know it, analysts know it, Moore knows it.

A strong running game flanking a young quarterback? Yeah, crap, we couldn't have done that without drafting frosted tips.

[Cyberjag]

So now was the right time to draft douchebag and hope he might turn into a franchise guy? The season after Moore goes 4-1 as a starter and was in top 5 for QB stats during his stretch?

poo, we may want to go RB early next year, we only went 4-1 with Stewart in.

We drafted Stewart after Williams had shown what he was capable of, right? And that seems to have worked out.

Moore is better than Clausen right now for sure. But Clausen is younger and has a higher upside than Moore does. If he realizes his potential, then this will be a brilliant pick and we will join the ranks of NFL teams with true Franchise QBs. If not, we still have Moore, who will be another decent, game managing type of QB in the Jake Delhomme mold. And I'm fine with that. But I'm excited that they took a shot at getting a star.

Both Clausen and Edwards are high risk/high reward picks. And if either pans out then we're going to be a happy fan base. The best part is that Fox and Hurney didn't go in acting scared, like they were concerned for their jobs. They made the best picks for the franchise, and instead of bitching about them we should give Don Gregory a little bit of the trust he has earned since he took over scouting and look forward to the season.

Seriously, with the current staff's track record with early round picks, don't you think that they might know what they're doing? Since Gregory joined, we've taken Jon Beason, Dwayne Jarrett, Ryan Kalil, Charles Johnson, Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah, Charles Godfrey, Dan Connor, Everette Brown, Sherrod Martin, and Corey Irvin in the first three rounds. That's a pretty good list--11 players and only one has turned out bad. If we get similar results out of the three we took today, we're going to be pretty damn happy going forward.

[beasonfanclub]

If Matt Moore hadn't won any of games he started, what would have happened? Nothing. We were eliminated from the playoffs already. We weren't playing for anything. Matt Moore didn't have ANY pressure on him to win. Nothing was riding on it. He COULD have played well simply because the game situation suited his easy-going personality.

Hell, he shat himself during the 2008 preseason when he had the chance to be the BACKUP. Maybe he's not meant for the pressure of starting for an ENTIRE NFL season.

WE. DON'T. KNOW.

umm dumbass ---- he beat the vikings and giants who were both in the thick of the playoff hunt last year.....were you not watching the games or just playing your madden on ps2??? duhhh

[Urrymonster]

umm dumbass ---- he beat the vikings and giants who were both in the thick of the playoff hunt last year.....were you not watching the games or just playing your madden on ps2??? duhhh

:yikes:

You do realise that whilst the Vikes and Giants were in the playoff hunt, we weren't? What that means, is we had nothing to lose. They did. That means we had no pressure to win. They did.

On the subject of Clausen.

You have to take him. We have a QB with 5 starts to his name as our starter and regardless of what people think, this guy was one of the top 2/3 QBs in the draft.

Sure Moore could carry on where he left last year and all that means is we have a great trade bait sitting on the bench. For the record, DL and WRs have a history of needing 1-2 years to adjust to the game, so the chances are we wouldn't get huge contributions from a WR or DL pick anyway.

Look at the teams that made the same choice as us when a potential franchise QB fell to us. Rodgers, Rivers & Schaub were all picked up despite having a starter in front playing at a decent to high level. In one situation Atlanta gets great compensation for trading away Schaub, Rivers and Rodgers turn out to be the franchise QB that everyone on here craves.

Sure we could have drafted Tate, but if you have an issue on teams passing on Clausen once or twice, virtually every team in the draft passed on Tate twice. He was also a 1st round pick and was one of the top 2-3 wide receivers. There are far more teams needing WRs than QBs, yet Tate fell, so please explain how you can be angry at the Clausen pick and then endorse an almost identical situation...

To clarify, when I say 'you' I am not directing this at the quoted poster, more people clamouring for the Tate pick.

For the record, I personally am not delighted with the pick as I prefer picks who are solid if not spectacular. However I know, as everyone should, that if a potential franchise QB falls to you when you have 5 starts at the position in your team, you take him. Sorry guys, that's just good business.

[Sandy Claws]

To answer the OP.... nope, not at all.. I'll leave it at that.

I believe that it is Moore's job to lose... Just like when the Eagles drafted kolb, the packers rodgers and the Chargers Rivers. In those situations the starter who was in place at the time excelled, or continued to play well. If Moore plays above average Jimmy will be on the bench for a few years. .

Are you seriously saying that Moore is equal to McNabb, Favre, and Brees? Those are the guys Kolb, Rodgers, and Rivers sat behind.