Let's Talk Evero

[t96]

8 hours ago, Zaximus said:

I wouldn't mind Rivera as a DC.  Wasn't a big HC fan but he's proven to be an elite DC.  I think he had the number 1 defense as a 3-4 with the Chargers and a number one defense with the Bears with a 4-3.  It wouldn't be a bad thing to have more head coaching experience on the roster too.  But I would also be surprised and if Canales wants more aggression I'm not sure Ron would be that pick.

I'd be cool with trying out a Rivera reunion but that said he was pretty awful with the Commanders recently when he took over calling defensive plays after firing the DC. Also he wasn't exactly great at calling plays here when he took over as defensive playcaller the year in his last year I believe. I think some of that can be chalked up to him having all the head coaching duties on his plate too and not being fully prepared to be calling plays (both times he took over midseason) or having full focus on defense. My hopes wouldn't be extremely high but he is an intriguing option with high upside and be a nice reunion as despite his faults as a HC he was an awesome dude and extremely well liked in the community and by players. Wonder if Luke would be interested in coaching LBers under Ron...

[t96]

5 minutes ago, Icege said:

Snow ran a 3-3-5 I thought?

4-3 base with most of the snaps having 4 down linemen. But yeah he ran a ton of different sets to change things up, kinda like Belichick did in New England all those years. Definitely a fair amount of 3-3-5, a lot of 4-2-5, some 4-1-6 even. Don't think he ever really had 4 LBers on the field -- if he was taking out a down lineman he was putting the replacement in the secondary. 

[BIGH2001]

You can’t set a record for points allowed in a season and keep your job. He did the same poo in the cowboys game with Xavier Woods covering Lamb and we got killed that game too. 

[Navy_football]

9 hours ago, Zaximus said:

I wouldn't mind Rivera as a DC.  Wasn't a big HC fan but he's proven to be an elite DC.  I think he had the number 1 defense as a 3-4 with the Chargers and a number one defense with the Bears with a 4-3.  It wouldn't be a bad thing to have more head coaching experience on the roster too.  But I would also be surprised and if Canales wants more aggression I'm not sure Ron would be that pick.

Rivera is not that aggressive. He relies on the front four applying pressure to the QB. That wouldn't work here now. Plus his defense is bend but don't break either. Now if the Panthers could draft a Luke, Thomas Davis, Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy and Josh Norman this year, then it just might work.

[t96]

7 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Chinn is extremely talented. That D had Shaq didn't it?  I don't remember who all was healthy that year. But this D feels less talented. I'd need to look at the rosters but I'm pretty sure 2020 was far weaker at CB, a push at S, and better on the front 7...

Shaq was healthy but honestly I don't think he was any better that year than Jewell this year. Chinn was a rookie and Snow got a ton out of him but yeah he was talented (I'm still pissed about how we wasted that dude's career). No Chinn this year but Evero had him last year and had absolutely zero clue how to use him so Snow getting a lot out of Chinn that year doesn't exactly help Evero's case.

Horn is the only truly elite talent across both of these defenses I would say, and puts this year ahead of 2020. Brown became elite last year but in 2020 he was still very raw as a rookie.

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, BIGH2001 said:

You can’t set a record for points allowed in a season and keep your job. He did the same poo in the cowboys game with Xavier Woods covering Lamb and we got killed that game too. 

With a healthy Jaycee Horn covering whoever came to his side of the field. Bad. Just bad.

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

Shaq was healthy but honestly I don't think he was any better that year than Jewell this year. Chinn was a rookie and Snow got a ton out of him but yeah he was talented (I'm still pissed about how we wasted that dude's career). No Chinn this year but Evero had him last year and had absolutely zero clue how to use him so Snow getting a lot out of Chinn that year doesn't exactly help Evero's case.

Horn is the only truly elite talent across both of these defenses I would say, and puts this year ahead of 2020. Brown became elite last year but in 2020 he was still very raw as a rookie.

I think Shaqs presence has always been underrated though and Jewel only played 12 games this year, so I dunno. 

I'd argue 2020 still had more overall talent - but either way, Evero needs to go.

[MHS831]

12 minutes ago, t96 said:

I'd be cool with trying out a Rivera reunion but that said he was pretty awful with the Commanders recently when he took over calling defensive plays after firing the DC. Also he wasn't exactly great at calling plays here when he took over as defensive playcaller the year in his last year I believe. I think some of that can be chalked up to him having all the head coaching duties on his plate too and not being fully prepared to be calling plays (both times he took over midseason) or having full focus on defense. My hopes wouldn't be extremely high but he is an intriguing option with high upside and be a nice reunion as despite his faults as a HC he was an awesome dude and extremely well liked in the community and by players. Wonder if Luke would be interested in coaching LBers under Ron...

I was always under the impression that Rivera was not a detail-oriented, scientific analyzer of football--and it works for Dan Campbell, but not sure it worked for RR at times.  I am not sure a reunion as a coordinator after being a head coach is ideal--I am not sure I can think of a situation where that has happened after being fired.  He was a good person, having met him at OTAs--I also met Dom Capers (back in the day--great guy) and my favorite was John Fox--he and I had an exchange that had him laughing so hard, he came back to talk some more and continue the joke.  I only went to one OTA per year and back then, the players walked right beside you.  Fox was a charismatic dude-and his coordinator Turgovac's daughter was friends with my son--went to the same school--so I chatted with him a lot.  He was waiting for his wife who was shopping at Belk and he was wandering around, not paying attention to where he was--he was in the lingerie section. (it was during a bye week).  I walked up behind him and said, "If you think 4-4 makes you that sexy, coach, go for the fishnets."  He looked at me like he was going to kill me, but then burst out into laughter.  He said, "I guess this is not a good look!"  I rambled.

[NAS]

I’m not a fan of retreads, would rather go with a young and promising assistant and ensure it doesn’t screw up the power dynamics with Canales

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, NAS said:

I’m not a fan of retreads, would rather go with a young and promising assistant and ensure it doesn’t screw up the power dynamics with Canales

That's what we got with Evero.  Remember, he was the hot name when we got him?  Offense is ever evolving, but defense is limited in it's innovation.  In that regard, I don't mind a retread for DC.

[MHS831]

10 hours ago, Seamonk said:

I've heard Canales mention that he wants a defense that can get Turnovers and be aggressive. Evero's defense is not that by design. It's a bend don't break that limits yardage but as we've seen this year and even last year, doesn't necessarily mean we're a good scoring defense. I want a more aggressive defense that teams fear. Our best defenses were FEARED. Aint nobody fearing an Evero defense

If Evero does end up leaving, I imagine that's the type of D Coord we'd get. 


 

Frazier worked for Tony Dungee, Andy Reid, and has head coaching experience.  He is 65 and would be a good influence over Canales.  Not sure what he has done as a DC, but this is my first impression.  Another player (like Rivera) from the 85 Bears' defense?

I would assume that he is the most likely candidate because his personality seems to fit Canales the best----from the outside looking in, at least, and in my limited view.

[NAS]

16 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

That's what we got with Evero.  Remember, he was the hot name when we got him?  Offense is ever evolving, but defense is limited in it's innovation.  In that regard, I don't mind a retread for DC.

Only retread I would go for is Robert Salah

[OldhamA]

2 hours ago, t96 said:

He's terrible and I really just can't fuging stand the 3-4 defense. You have to have such a stacked roster with personnel specific to a 3-4 for a 3-4 to work and not get totally gashed by the run (which we have been every single year we've run a 3-4 even back when Ron switched to it to try to save his ass).

Rhule may have sucked but at least he had our defense far overperforming their talent level with Snow running his 4-3. No brainer to can Evero and hire someone to run a 4-3. I'd even be all for considering Rivera as DC if he was open to a reunion. 

Snow doesn't really have a system, he adapts. He ran a 3-3-5 at times here. 

[t96]

13 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Snow doesn't really have a system, he adapts. He ran a 3-3-5 at times here. 

I found a bit more info on it and he ran 3-3-5 like 18% of the time -- largely on obvious passing downs. Rest of the time was a combination of 4-3, 4-2-5, 4-1-6, with a tiny amount of 3-2-6. His base was 4 down linemen and he never had 4 linebackers on the field. Yeah he adapted a ton but it was very much based around a 4-3, NOT a 3-4.