8th pick

[Navy_football]

27 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

No, he needs more. 

This is the way.

Hahaha!!!

Hallucinations, an increase in body temperature and heart rate, heavy sweating, muscle weakness, nausea and vomiting, and lack of coordination...

are in fact not the way. ain't nobody got time for that. 

[Bear Hands]

I know the talk has been Tmac or front-7 heavy, but now at our official pick, the prospects change a tad- Burden could be a dude that could fit really well and be BPA.

1-Burden WR 2-Donavan Ez EDGE

That’s my early like

[CarolinaRideorDie]

6 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I know the talk has been Tmac or front-7 heavy, but now at our official pick, the prospects change a tad- Burden could be a dude that could fit really well and be BPA.

1-Burden WR 2-Donavan Ez EDGE

That’s my early like

if some of the blue chip players are off by our pick, I like the idea of trading back a little and picking up Malaki Starks. We do need safety help, it's just that no safety is worth a top 10 pick based on value, but his talent is undeniable. 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I know the talk has been Tmac or front-7 heavy, but now at our official pick, the prospects change a tad- Burden could be a dude that could fit really well and be BPA.

1-Burden WR 2-Donavan Ez EDGE

That’s my early like

Too high for Burden as I'd take any of the pass rushers over him at 7 or 8 and at least one of them should be left.  I don't think any of Ward, Sanders, Hunter, T-Mac, or Johnson make it to 7 and guessing an OT will go before then, which means Graham or Carter would be there, both of whom I'd take over Burden.  And if they're not, it means someone else there fell, who I'd also take over him then.

I don't like the idea of a trade down because I don't think anyone will make it worth our while.  But if we were to trade down into the 12ish range, that's where I think Burden would become an option.

It's weird, but I'm now kinda hoping I'm wrong on T-Mac running a sub 4.5 at the combine, because now if he runs in that 4.55 range, he might fall to us, LOL.  But when he runs 4.49 or better like I think, I don't think he falls to us.

[Bear Hands]

34 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Too high for Burden as I'd take any of the pass rushers over him at 7 or 8 and at least one of them should be left.  I don't think any of Ward, Sanders, Hunter, T-Mac, or Johnson make it to 7 and guessing an OT will go before then, which means Graham or Carter would be there, both of whom I'd take over Burden.  And if they're not, it means someone else there fell, who I'd also take over him then.

I don't like the idea of a trade down because I don't think anyone will make it worth our while.  But if we were to trade down into the 12ish range, that's where I think Burden would become an option.

It's weird, but I'm now kinda hoping I'm wrong on T-Mac running a sub 4.5 at the combine, because now if he runs in that 4.55 range, he might fall to us, LOL.  But when he runs 4.49 or better like I think, I don't think he falls to us.

Burden has the burst and skills that makes me feel really comfortable with him to compliment this offense. I like Graham, Johnson and Starks as well.

But I don’t think I’d take a pass rusher this year in the top-15.  I’m just really not fans if we’re talking specific prospects, not the idea of taking an EDGE high (which most years makes a ton of sense).  Abdul, Mykel, and Jalon (do like) just aren’t guys I’m thrilled about top-10. They don’t have top-10 skills. And by that, I mean guys you expect to be top-12 at their position. 

[tukafan21]

8 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Burden has the burst and skills that makes me feel really comfortable with him to compliment this offense. I like Graham, Johnson and Starks as well.

But I don’t think I’d take a pass rusher this year in the top-15.  I’m just really not fans of we’re talking soecific prospects, not the idea of taking an EDGE high (which most years makes a ton of sense).  Abdul, Mykel, and Jalon (do like) just aren’t guys I’m thrilled about top-10. They don’t have top-10 skills. And by that, I mean guys you expect to be top-12 at their position. 

I don't love the pass rushers in this class either, which is why i was saying I wouldn't have taken any of them over T-Mac or Johnson in the Top 5.  But I also don't love Burden as a fit for us anyways, which is why I couldn't take him over one of the pass rushers either.

Yes we need that super quick slot WR, but we also badly need a true outside #1, which Burden is not.  Drafting Burden means we'll have 3 WRs we expect to be a big part of our future along with XL and Coker, but none of them at true outside #1's.  I don't like the idea of spending back to back 1st Rounders on guys who probably both should be playing out of the slot, especially with a Top 10 pick.

Plus, you can find those fast slot WRs in the middle rounds of the draft all the time, you just need to evaluate well and hit on the pick, which is it's own issue of course.  I'd package up some of those 5th round picks to move up into the late 3rd or early 4th and take the fastest WR we can get in that range.

Edited yesterday at 03:27 AM by tukafan21

[Bear Hands]

6 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I don't love the pass rushers in this class either, which is why i was saying I wouldn't have taken any of them over T-Mac or Johnson in the Top 5.  But I also don't love Burden as a fit for us anyways, which is why I couldn't take him over one of the pass rushers either.

Yes we need that super quick slot WR, but we also badly need a true outside #1, which Burden is not.  Drafting Burden means we'll have 3 WRs we expect to be a big part of our future along with XL and Coker, but none of them at true outside #1's.  I don't like the idea of spending back to back 1st Rounders on guys who probably both should be playing out of the slot, especially with a Top 10 pick.

Plus, you can find those fast slot WRs in the middle rounds of the draft all the time, you just need to evaluate well and hit on the pick, which is it's own issue of course.  I'd package up some of those 5th round picks to move up into the late 3rd or early 4th and take the fastest WR we can get in that range.

My initial Burden argument:

The contested catch ability combined with YAC skills put him in a tier above the slot types.  In addition, his acceleration and big play ability are something we just haven't had in forever.  But it's not a one-trick pony situation either.  In addition, he has no injury history, no drop problems, developed well rr-ing wise this year.  He's flexible positionally, not slot exclusive.  Can go X, flanker and slot. 

I think he grades out a mid-1st, but in this draft class, that's top-10 since there's no typical top-10 talent.  I find him to be interesting because in shorter field scenarios, he can look like Doug Baldwin, but on deep plays he turns into a Brandin Cooks.  A popular comp is Rashee Rice.  A JSN with home run skills.  

At the WR spot, I don't view anything outside of Coker a long term check mark in our WR room right now, so if one is BPA, I don't think there's redundancy to worry about.  

I like who you like though.  Will Johnson is a real possibility at 7 IMO.  

[tukafan21]

6 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

My initial Burden argument:

The contested catch ability combined with YAC skills put him in a tier above the slot types.  In addition, his acceleration and big play ability are something we just haven't had in forever.  But it's not a one-trick pony situation either.  In addition, he has no injury history, no drop problems, developed well rr-ing wise this year.  He's flexible positionally, not slot exclusive.  Can go X, flanker and slot. 

I think he grades out a mid-1st, but in this draft class, that's top-10 since there's no typical top-10 talent.  I find him to be interesting because in shorter field scenarios, he can look like Doug Baldwin, but on deep plays he turns into a Brandin Cooks.  A popular comp is Rashee Rice.  A JSN with home run skills.  

At the WR spot, I don't view anything outside of Coker a long term check mark in our WR room right now, so if one is BPA, I don't think there's redundancy to worry about.  

I like who you like though.  Will Johnson is a real possibility at 7 IMO.  

If we didn't just draft XL, I'd be more on board with Burden, but I just think it's a poor allocation of assets given the number of holes on our roster to use our 1st on a player like him.  He can play some X, but he's not a natural true outside #1.

That's why I'm just praying T-Mac falls to us for some reason, he's our only shot at adding that outside #1 this offseason.  Then do what I said and package up our 5ths to try and get a fast slot WR in the 3rd/4th and give us a WR room of T-Mac, XL, Coker, fast slot WR draft pick for the future and maybe Thielen for one more year.

That's a well rounded WR room that compliments each other and gives you everything you need.

 

Edited yesterday at 03:52 AM by tukafan21

[Bear Hands]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

If we didn't just draft XL, I'd be more on board with Burden, but I just think it's a poor allocation of assets given the number of holes on our roster to use our 1st on a player like him.  He can play some X, but he's not a natural true outside #1.

That's why I'm just praying T-Mac falls to us for some reason, he's our only shot at adding that outside #1 this offseason.  Then do what I said and package up our 5ths to try and get a fast slot WR in the 3rd/4th and give us a WR room of T-Mac, XL, Coker, fast slot WR draft pick for the future and maybe Thielen for one more year.

That's a well rounded WR room that compliments each other and gives you everything you need.

 

So you don't think Coker can flank and you work XL and Burden around one another?  I think they are rather complimentary.  XL's ceiling is the X, and if not, I don't want to be jamming him into a slot role that's better suited for others IMO.  And Canales does not run a fixed system.    

XL would be 60/40 outside/slot, a guy like Burden 40/60.  

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Bear Hands said:

So you don't think Coker can flank and you work XL and Burden around one another?  I think they are rather complimentary.  XL's ceiling is the X, and if not, I don't want to be jamming him into a slot role that's better suited for others IMO.  And Canales does not run a fixed system.    

XL would be 60/40 outside/slot, a guy like Burden 40/60.  

I didn't say it wouldn't work, I said it would be a poor allocation of assets to use a Top 10 pick on a WR and still not have a true outside #1 when we have so many other holes.

There is still no #1 WR in that group, let alone a true outside WR.  You have 3 guys who all could be somewhat interchangeable, which can be good and lead to good things, but it lacks that elite WR that a Top 10 pick should bring you.

We need a true outside #1 and a super quick twitch slot guy, Burden, while a great prospect, is kinda in between them.  

And I don't think it's jamming XL into the slot, he would EAT going over the middle against nickel DB's, and really what he's best at right now is getting the ball into his hands and letting him run with it, he's not great at making plays downfield.  He'd be an Anquan Boldin type of guy for us in that role and I think its would fit him outstanding.

[Bear Hands]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

I didn't say it wouldn't work, I said it would be a poor allocation of assets to use a Top 10 pick on a WR and still not have a true outside #1 when we have so many other holes.

There is still no #1 WR in that group, let alone a true outside WR.  You have 3 guys who all could be somewhat interchangeable, which can be good and lead to good things, but it lacks that elite WR that a Top 10 pick should bring you.

We need a true outside #1 and a super quick twitch slot guy, Burden, while a great prospect, is kinda in between them.  

And I don't think it's jamming XL into the slot, he would EAT going over the middle against nickel DB's, and really what he's best at right now is getting the ball into his hands and letting him run with it, he's not great at making plays downfield.  He'd be an Anquan Boldin type of guy for us in that role and I think its would fit him outstanding.

I'm probably half reading tonight ha, long weekend - but if you don't think Burden has 1 ceiling then I get it.  But in today's NFL, I'm looking at the St Browns, JSNs, Pukas, Rashees, etc. and think we need to consider a different lens for how we build an offense.  Especially with a draft that offers no real difference makers pass rushing or playmaking wise, which you want at the top.    

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

It just takes 1

A dumb one...

[Shocker]

I think Burden is a better player than TMac and definitely more explosive.  I want defense but Burden would definitely fit here 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I'm probably half reading tonight ha, long weekend - but if you don't think Burden has 1 ceiling then I get it.  But in today's NFL, I'm looking at the St Browns, JSNs, Pukas, Rashees, etc. and think we need to consider a different lens for how we build an offense.  Especially with a draft that offers no real difference makers pass rushing or playmaking wise, which you want at the top.    

lol, again, it's not the player, it's the draft slot and current roster that I don't like drafting him.

Given XL and Coker, I just don't like using a Top 10 pick on a player of Burden's style of game, it's the same reason I like T-Mac over a WR Hunter in the Top 5 as well.  It's about the fit for our team, we need that true outside #1 more than someone who is going to thrive in the slot.

If we were picking in the early teens, I'd be much more open to Burden, but not at 8