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Do you think we have a top 10 QB now?

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If this was his first season I'd be thinking top 15 bare minimum. I still have reservations because of what's come before this 9 game stretch, but I certainly go into next season with much more optimism.

Put it this way, after the benching I was thinking about the QB prospects in the 2025 draft. Now I wouldn't take any of them over Bryce.

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3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

We won the trade

He gives a poo about that trade at this point. It's in the past, and fans still going back and forth with bears fans over something dumb like bragging rights when both teams are bad is just monumentally ignorant. 

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bryce looked way better than I thought was possible today. Am I calling him a top 10 NFL QB now? C'mon... are you serious?

What I saw today showed me that he might have the potential to be that though and that's huge.

Yeah and being in the top 10 still is not an "elite" tag. It's rare that there are 10 elite QB's in the NFL at a given time.

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2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

He gives a poo about that trade at this point. It's in the past, and fans still going back and forth with bears fans over something dumb like bragging rights when both teams are bad is just monumentally ignorant. 

Not to pull a Marty Hurney but it’s kind of irrelevant when you can always trade future picks. You’re trading future variable risk for the guy you want. Bryce looks the part now. Best new QBs the last two years are Bryce, Stroud, and Daniels. 

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5 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Not to pull a Marty Hurney but it’s kind of irrelevant when you can always trade future picks. You’re trading future variable risk for the guy you want. Bryce looks the part now. Best new QBs the last two years are Bryce, Stroud, and Daniels. 

Penix has been really solid in his 3 starts for a rookie.   300+ yards, 3 TDs in regulation today.  Pick was on the WR with a fluke pop up.  Every L he has taken as a rookie has been OT.  I think the Falcons got a dude.  Think you got to put him in with the young dudes 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

Penix has been really solid in his 3 starts for a rookie.   300+ yards, 3 TDs in regulation today.  Pick was on the WR with a fluke pop up.  Every L he has taken as a rookie has been OT.  I think the Falcons got a dude.  Think you got to put him in with the young dudes 

He does look good. If our defense wasn’t historically bad though we win this by two TDs. 

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8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Penix has been really solid in his 3 starts for a rookie.   300+ yards, 3 TDs in regulation today.  Pick was on the WR with a fluke pop up.  Every L he has taken as a rookie has been OT.  I think the Falcons got a dude.  Think you got to put him in with the young dudes 

Yup. The excuses/rationale that folks made for Bryce in recent weeks apply for Penix today - drops, missed kicks, and defense. Game would have gone the other way with any of those elements absent.

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