We have a franchise QB

[Panthero]

I'll eat my crow. Week 3. I thought we were gonna have to eat poo for 3 more years. Now I think if we can hit on some DL next year and get a true wr1, we can make some noise NEXT year. Which id have said is insane even 6 weeks ago. 

[Ricky Spanish]

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Oh, and again, we won 2 late season games in OT.

Are you telling me that if we had lost those games, we wouldn't have had the same development of the players that we had?

That's absolute utter nonsense, pulling out the win has literally ZERO affect on the development of the players.

That's what I think a lot of the "pro late season winning fans" seem to miss in this argument.  I'm not arguing for us to tank, that's nonsense, I'm arguing for us to do exactly what we did, fight hard and stay in games, but I'm wishing the other team would have pulled out the wins in the end.

If we lose the coin toss and give up TD's in those OT games, we have the #1 pick that we can trade and still 100% of the development and improvement of the players over the course of the season.  

In what world is that not better for the future of the franchise to have that #1 pick to trade than the very very very minor good feelings of a couple extra wins?!?!?!

You sound like a 12 year old that didn't get the right color iphone for christmas

[jasonluckydog]

Dude threw what 4 or 5 tds big whoop. Call me when he averages 7 a game. 

[uncfan888]

14 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I want to be playing in the playoffs and contending for SB's.  You don't do that by winning meaningless games in December every freaking season, which we tend to do.

How has that worked out for us since 2015?  It hasn't worked, it's why we've been stuck in NFL purgatory for basically the last decade.  

But sure, let's keep celebrating these late season wins, they keep me all warm and fuzzy inside during those 1-7 starts and ruin the season for us before the midway point of the schedule.

This argument happens every year, at what point do the people who celebrate these wins realize it's not working?  People point out the good players we did draft later in the draft, but they obviously aren't helping turn around the franchise, maybe we'd have gotten even better players than them if we were higher in the draft.

I'm sick of having a terrible team, I'm not going to celebrate wins that cost us significant draft capital when I think we're stuck with an awful QB.  If we had a Drake Maye, who has looked like he has a real future, then yea, I'd be more on board with celebrating a meaningless Week 18 win, because I'd feel we had a future.

Bryce aint it, sure I'd love him to become that guy, but I 100% do not see it happening, so things like today just piss me off as I feel like we keep setting ourselves back as a franchise.

What a joke

[PadresPanthersFan]

Bryce played probably the best game of his career and probably the best game by a panthers qb since cam and people still want to whine about something. Draft picks or his physical limitations ( which is why he only had 2 rushing tds this game not 15)

We won. I will never tire of winning. Our qb has gotten better and was a beast with a limited receiving core. I will not hate improvement and hope. 

We probably have a solid coach that should last and stabilize this franchise for the first time since Rivera. I will not scoff at stability and a brighter future. 

Some like losing. Some like draft picks over wins ( but hopefully those draft picks bust so we get a high draft pick again next year) 

Some people are very negative and love misery. Don't be those people. I choose optimism and happiness.  

Today the panthers made me happy. And I look forward to 2025. 

[jasonluckydog]

2 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

You sound like a 12 year old that didn't get the right color iphone for christmas

Tmobile sent me a hot pink phone. I ordered the magneta or some poo and they sent fuging hot pink. No lie. Thankfully the phone crashed when installing all the new poo.  I got a nice manly grey color phone now. 

[Hogan]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Howie Roseman is literally the best GM in the league at identifying talent, using them as an example is extremely flawed.

The problem is we keep trying to patch the holes on a sinking ship, hoping for a quick fix turnaround, but all it does is keep us in NFL purgatory.  We haven't been good since Cam got hurt in Pittsburgh and yet we haven't embraced a re-build in all those years since then either.

That's not how the NFL works, we have such a bad overall roster, but people are pinning their hopes on a guy who is never going to be an elite QB.

Make it make sense

Who is we? Canales and Morgan? You have no idea what they will do. Hopefully, they will be a bit more organized than the previous group. All the history you site is with the previous group, going back to Newton getting hurt in 2016. That was 8 years ago. A lot of dysfunction happened from 2016 to 2023. 

Positive change started when Hurney was FINALLY gone. Then, the organization FINALLY hired a GM who then hired the coach. And they seem to be on the same page. THAT is crucial.

Young? I'm not pinning my hopes on him. I'm pinning my hopes on the front office and coach. And I'll say again: Unless you're Jerry West, you don't build a great team with year after year of Top 10 picks. You build a great team by developing draft picks, undrafted free agents, and signing free agents. And Morgan and Canales haven't been around long enough to know how they will do. It's ridiculous  to base the Panther future on what the organization has done in the past. 

[ProcessBlue2]

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

Right now we have something strong to build on heading into a very crucial offseason. Morgan needs to nail the draft and free agency. Canales and Bryce need to hit the ground running early in the season and only then will we have an early confirmation. Call me glass half full if you like but I'm a Charlotte sports fan I know better than to assume anything too early. By Halloween next year we'll know.

After this last offseason, I'm confident Morgan will be okay in Free Agency. I'm iffy on the draft, but at minimum if he's like Hurney and nails the 1st rounder we will be fine.

Canales needs to be finalizing Evero's termination paperwork right now.

[frankw]

1 minute ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

After this last offseason, I'm confident Morgan will be okay in Free Agency. I'm iffy on the draft, but at minimum if he's like Hurney and nails the 1st rounder we will be fine.

Canales needs to be finalizing Evero's termination paperwork right now.

The one thing I will say for sure that Morgan needs to stay away from is being under any illusions that he has to fix everything in a single offseason. Address the defense the best you can with the resources you have and add some more to the offense. It's going to take some time but we just need to follow the example of other franchises recently like the Lions.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, ProcessBlue2 said:

After this last offseason, I'm confident Morgan will be okay in Free Agency. I'm iffy on the draft, but at minimum if he's like Hurney and nails the 1st rounder we will be fine.

Canales needs to be finalizing Evero's termination paperwork right now.

There is no downside to replacing Evero. At minimum a new DC will want his type of players and can identify them in the draft and FA. That alone changes the overall development dynamics and system. 

[ProcessBlue2]

Just now, frankw said:

The one thing I will say for sure that Morgan needs to stay away from is being under any illusions that he has to fix everything in a single offseason. Address the defense the best you can with the resources you have and add some more to the offense. It's going to take some time but we just need to follow the example of other franchises recently like the Lions.

Yeah if he can just focus on the front seven for defense like he did the OL last year, it will be huge.

[Hogan]

18 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Oh, and again, we won 2 late season games in OT.

Are you telling me that if we had lost those games, we wouldn't have had the same development of the players that we had?

That's absolute utter nonsense, pulling out the win has literally ZERO affect on the development of the players.

That's what I think a lot of the "pro late season winning fans" seem to miss in this argument.  I'm not arguing for us to tank, that's nonsense, I'm arguing for us to do exactly what we did, fight hard and stay in games, but I'm wishing the other team would have pulled out the wins in the end.

If we lose the coin toss and give up TD's in those OT games, we have the #1 pick that we can trade and still 100% of the development and improvement of the players over the course of the season.  

In what world is that not better for the future of the franchise to have that #1 pick to trade than the very very very minor good feelings of a couple extra wins?!?!?!

I think you are confusing me with someone who is celebrating today. If the Panthers had lost and had a higher pick, I'm fine with that.

My point, which you ignore: You don't build a great team with year after year of Top 10 picks. The Panthers have the 8th pick instead of the 6th. IF the gm and coach know what they are doing, they will get a good player.

[outlaw4]

I still remember RG3 being called a franchise QB and argued by the media as better than Cam. That certainly didn't age well in retrospect. As such, I really don't like using that term until well after the fact.

No real point anointing Bryce Young as anything more than the unquestioned starter for 2025. Honestly, going into this season, that's the best outcome we could've hoped for. 

[Jaxel]

2 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

I still remember RG3 being called a franchise QB and argued by the media as better than Cam. That certainly didn't age well in retrospect. As such, I really don't like using that term until well after the fact.

No real point anointing Bryce Young as anything more than the unquestioned starter for 2025. Honestly, going into this season, that's the best outcome we could've hoped for. 

To be fair, RGIII's leg melted, and his confidence went along with it.