Week 18 Game Thread: Cats vs Birds

[Loyalty4Life]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Draft pick capital is measurable. Once the pick is made it's no longer draft capital. It's a player that you control their draft rights. These are two entirely separate things.

You could've simply typed "I also don't understand logic" and saved yourself considerable time.

You've only separated them to appear right.  That is why I said that no one is disputing a higher draft pick in and of itself isnt' better.  No one is saying that.  You don't have to argue that it is.  That is sound logic but it's not the point everyone is making because no one cares a single bit where you picked if the player you picked isn't worth it.

Numbers are measurable.  That is correct but those numbers represent the player picked.

No team is trying to win the draft pick capital contest separate from the reality of what player is picked.  It's stupid to even try to separate the two in some lame attempt to win an internet argument.  Especially, since you think you are arguing picking 1 is better than picking two because pick 1 picks before pick 2.  Jesus, piss on me and tell me it raining.

 

Edited Sunday at 10:50 PM by Loyalty4Life

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Was worried about not having Hunt but O-line held up well today. Granted, I also think the Falcons pass rush really wasn't there much today, but gotta win the matchups we get.

Zero sacks and I don't recall any hits or real pressures.  A few hurries.  I didn't see every snap though, but from what I saw, Young stayed clean.

[jasonluckydog]

1 hour ago, jasonluckydog said:

The one time I don't start Bryce on FanDuel, fug me

However,  I did start Bo Nix. 

[outlaw4]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Zero sacks and I don't recall any hits or real pressures.  A few hurries.  I didn't see every snap though, but from what I saw, Young stayed clean.

Got sacked once but that was on a play the Falcons were offsides. Immediate pressure on the final 2nd down in regulation. That's all I remember. Really wasn't that much defense on either side today. Even the one turnover we got was a bit of a fluke.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, HardcoreHokie said:

Ask Dave Canales, Dan Morgan, Bryce Young, most fans, and the Panthers locker room how important this win was.

That’s the only thing that matters right now, “measurable” or not.

A good chunk of them won't be here next year and nothing about next seasons outcomes will be impacted by today's post game jubilee. That's all I care about. We sucked this year. We've sucked for several years now. All I want is to not suck in the future. 4-13 vs. 5-12 means nothing but lost draft capital in terms of our future.

[Candler Cat]

27 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I can tell you one thing, the PFF grades for the OL are going to be good.  I mean Young will be tops, but the OL should round the next several spots easily.

yeah they had a most excellent day

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

You've only separated them to appear right.  That is why I said that no one is disputing a higher draft pick in and of itself isnt' better.  No one is saying that.  You don't have to argue that it is.  That is sound logic but it's not the point everyone is making because no one cares a single bit where you picked if the player you picked isn't worth it.

Numbers are measurable.  That is correct but those numbers represent the player picked.

No team is trying to win the draft pick capital contest separate from the reality of what player is picked.  It's stupid to even try to separate the two in some lame attempt to win an internet argument.  Especially, since you think you are arguing picking 1 is better than picking two because pick 1 picks before pick 2.  Jesus, piss on me and tell me it raining.

 

I only separate them because they are indeed separate. That making me right is why I've been making the same consistent argument on this matter for years.

[Wolfcop]

This win could very well create momentum going into the off-season. We have seen it happen before in Panthers history.
 

The most important aspect of the last 2 months was seeing that we have a potential top 10-15 starting QB. It doesn’t guarantee a good start to next season, but the psychological impacts of (a) winning and (b) having confidence in a starting QB can definitely have a bearing on next season. 

[Loyalty4Life]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I only separate them because they are indeed separate. That making me right is why I've been making the same consistent argument on this matter for years.

If you separate them, then it doesn't matter.

You are arguing something no one disagrees with.  Others are looking at the parts you separate that makes the points relevant.  

Yes, you are right and have always been right that the team with the #1 pick gets to pick before the team with #2 pick and so on.  

Teams don't trade up in the draft because that pick is a higher number.  It's because it gives them the chance to draft a player they want and depending on the player can make that pick much more or much less valuable.  That is part of what you don't understand.  The draft pick numbers isn't an unchanging variable because it's contingent on the potential of the draft class and thus the player picked.

Teams don't operate and view picks as separate from the player or groups of players they are targeting.  That is why a high draft pick when Payton Manning is on the board is way more important but if you want to treat all number 1 picks as if they are Payton Manning then that makes no sense. 

It's even more cringe if this is an argument you're been making for years.

This whole argument reminds me of the time I was explaining to my son in primary school how the one on the dollar of a single American dollar doesn't represent it's buying power.   

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

This win could very well create momentum going into the off-season. We have seen it happen before in Panthers history.
 

The most important aspect of the last 2 months was seeing that we have a potential top 10-15 starting QB. It doesn’t guarantee a good start to next season, but the psychological impacts of (a) winning and (b) having confidence in a starting QB can definitely have a bearing on next season. 

It's been a while since I've gone into an offseason feeling optimistic.

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

If you separate them, then it doesn't matter.

You are arguing something no one disagrees with.  Others are looking at the parts you separate that makes the points relevant.  

Yes, you are right and have always been right that the team with the #1 pick gets to pick before the team with #2 pick and so on.  

Teams don't trade up in the draft because that pick is a higher number.  It's because it gives them the chance to draft a player they want and depending on the player can make that pick much more or much less valuable.  That is part of what you don't understand.  The draft pick numbers isn't an unchanging variable because it's contingent on the potential of the draft class and thus the player picked.

Teams don't operate and view picks as separate from the player or groups of players they are targeting.  That is why a high draft pick when Payton Manning is on the board is way more important but if you want to treat all number 1 picks as if they are Payton Manning then that makes no sense. 

It's even more cringe if this is an argument you're been making for years.

This whole argument reminds me of the time I was explaining to my son in primary school how the one on the dollar of a single American dollar doesn't represent it's buying power.   

 

 

lolwut?

They're different because the pick represents the opportunity. Once the pick is made then it's no longer an opportunity. It's a specific player. So now the value of that "pick" is based on how other teams had the player that you picked evaluated.

No, the #1 pick every year doesn't have the same value because it is based on the evaluation of that draft class. But #6 is always more valuable than #8.

[Happy Panther]

34 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

If you separate them, then it doesn't matter.

You are arguing something no one disagrees with.  Others are looking at the parts you separate that makes the points relevant.  

Yes, you are right and have always been right that the team with the #1 pick gets to pick before the team with #2 pick and so on.  

Teams don't trade up in the draft because that pick is a higher number.  It's because it gives them the chance to draft a player they want and depending on the player can make that pick much more or much less valuable.  That is part of what you don't understand.  The draft pick numbers isn't an unchanging variable because it's contingent on the potential of the draft class and thus the player picked.

Teams don't operate and view picks as separate from the player or groups of players they are targeting.  That is why a high draft pick when Payton Manning is on the board is way more important but if you want to treat all number 1 picks as if they are Payton Manning then that makes no sense. 

It's even more cringe if this is an argument you're been making for years.

This whole argument reminds me of the time I was explaining to my son in primary school how the one on the dollar of a single American dollar doesn't represent it's buying power.   

 

 

Always take the win!

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

Always take the win!

One more win in the final two games of 1998 for the Colts means no Peyton Manning. I'm pretty sure they're quite happy in retrospect to have taken those two losses and ending up 3-13 instead of 4-12. That would've been a franchise crushing moral victory.

[ForJimmy]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

One more win in the final two games of 1998 for the Colts means no Peyton Manning. I'm pretty sure they're quite happy in retrospect to have taken those two losses and ending up 3-13 instead of 4-12. That would've been a franchise crushing moral victory.

There isn’t a generational pick in this draft. We also weren’t fighting for pick 1. Most of the top 10 guys in this draft have red flags. In this situation you take the win. The first road win for your young QB. Another win for your new HC to help players buy in. Most importantly you knock your rivals out of the playoff race and give their new QB an L to go with their now losing season.