Bryce Young post benching if it were a full season worth of stats.

[*FreeFua*]

2 hours ago, BullCityP said:

Chuba is probably the 3rd best rb in our division behind Kamara and Robinson. 

I don’t know.

Bucky Irving is honestly legit. Chuba very well may be 4th

[The Lobo]

2 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

If you think Adam Thielen is fast then you might be slow yourself 

Never said he was fast but he certainly isn’t slow. He’s been behind coverage multiple times this season. You can’t watch the film on him and think “slow” guys who get in and out of breaks like he does aren’t “slow”. My guess with DJ in Baltimore was, him not seeing the field wasn’t talent related…

There is no need to be insulating. I wasn’t being a prick to you, there is no need to be a prick to me. 

[jfra78]

52 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

So you would take Chuba pre injury over Barkley Henry Talyor Mixon Jones both Lions Rbs ect?

I would take 20 QBs over Bryce

[*FreeFua*]

13 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Never said he was fast but he certainly isn’t slow. He’s been behind coverage multiple times this season. You can’t watch the film on him and think “slow” guys who get in and out of breaks like he does aren’t “slow”. My guess with DJ in Baltimore was, him not seeing the field wasn’t talent related…

There is no need to be insulating. I wasn’t being a prick to you, there is no need to be a prick to me. 

Let’s say he knows how to get open but we also need acknowledge Bryce does a good job with throwing with anticipation when it comes to Thielen

I agree, my apologies 

[jb2288]

3 hours ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

Why can't multiple things be true at the same time? 

Every qb needs help. Mahomes had no elite wr and has looked pedestrian this year. Stroud had no o line and hasn't looked as good. Brees had a great o line and some stud wr. Qbs need help. 

Young has improved. This gives some people hope and optimism and they have found stats to quantify what they have seen with their own eyes. 

Some people will not like Bryce no matter what he does. He could walk on water ( why can't he run? Too short???) Turn water into wine ( ugh who likes wine. Turn it into beer short stuff) and resurrect ( psh why did he die in the first place) and they still wouldn't be happy. 

Some people choose optimism over misery. Some people don't. 

It is what it is

To me Bryce has improved. I am optimistic. He has had some rough spots ( dallas) but he has bounced back and has passed the eye test. He has a great o line. He does not have an elite wr. But I am optimistic both the qb and wr will improve 

The most reasonable post I’ve read in years on here 

[BullCityP]

9 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I would take 20 QBs over Bryce

I wouldn't but one of our talent evaluation might be better than the other 

[jb2288]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Oh you've already forgotten your 3rd best RB in the division remark? 8th in the NFL in rushing yards with an anemic at best passing offense all season.

Why are you allowed to take whatever hypothetical leaps you want when it comes to Bryce but if someone else does it they are putting other players down? You literally were in here earlier pooing on how we can’t pay anyone because we had to put all our money in the OL for Young. So for Young that’s a huge negative that hurts the team, but yet you take Chubbas benefit of a great OL to try to prove a point. You’re talking in circles but will then try to respond playing it down on how your specific scenario is different and valid while putting others down for taking the same liberties.  
 

also, yes Chubba would be behind Kamara and Bijan. How is that even a negative remark? All 3 are good. 

[BullCityP]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You have a weird understanding between what is an opinion and what is a fact.  I suspect its lack of intelligence but feel free to straighten that out for us.

Chuba isn't a top 5 RB in the NFL no matter HOW you wanna slice it lol fact or opinion 

[BullCityP]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You have a weird understanding between what is an opinion and what is a fact.  I suspect its lack of intelligence but feel free to straighten that out for us.

And as far as my intelligence the definition of Fact is: A thing that is KNOWN OR proven to be true!! That's like saying LeBron is one of the best Basketball players of all time would be a FACT!! And it's also a FACT that Chuba isn't a top 5 RB in the league because it's known lol

[frankw]

15 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Why are you allowed to take whatever hypothetical leaps you want when it comes to Bryce but if someone else does it they are putting other players down? You literally were in here earlier pooing on how we can’t pay anyone because we had to put all our money in the OL for Young. So for Young that’s a huge negative that hurts the team, but yet you take Chubbas benefit of a great OL to try to prove a point. You’re talking in circles but will then try to respond playing it down on how your specific scenario is different and valid while putting others down for taking the same liberties.  
 

also, yes Chubba would be behind Kamara and Bijan. How is that even a negative remark? All 3 are good. 

Honestly I wasn't even thrilled about paying Chuba what we did just as I was iffy about trading up into the 2nd to draft an RB who was also injured. I have and continue to be in the camp that we can find good backs in the mid rounds of the draft. I know full well the Panthers history of overinvesting in the position. But I'm not going to sit here and take away what he's done for the offense this season. He has more often than not been our offense and helped give this team a much needed jolt aside from that one Bucs game. Dave Canales himself has gone out of his way to acknowledge how important a player like Chuba has been for our young group.

First of all. Chuba had 900 yards and 5 scores with that OL last season and the worst passing offense in the NFL. That's not what I've said. Last year the talk was about the OL being bad which it was and we addressed it very strongly with a significant financial investment. Now we have to turn our attention to the defense. And yes that significant investment in the OL meant we would always have a subpar defense at best this season. And it's been talked about a great deal to the point our DC may be on his way out the door. The defense has to be the priority going forward.

I've already posted the statistics for all three backs this season if you want to maintain that position that's up to you but Chuba is right there with Bijan and Kamara was an afterthought this season.

Edited Saturday at 10:22 PM by frankw

[electro's horse]

Chuba got a very reasonable contract and absolutely deserves it. 

He’s also well liked on the team and sometimes extending a player is about org politics. 

luckily with Hubbard it’s both. It’s not like he’s James Anderson or anything. 

[bythenbrs]

7 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Something clicked for him when he got benched, saved his career. 

I have thought about the night and day change in performance for some time, welcome though it is.  What made the dramatic difference in performance?  I see three possible causes…

1.  Something clicked - watching Dalton from the bench, light bulb comes on moment, ‘okay, now I understand; I can do this’

2. Canales radically simplified the offensive scheme to better fit Bryce

3.  Bryce’s mental state or motivation changed

4. Greatly improved offensive line - a necessary but not sufficient condition; Bryce had this offensive line in the first two games before his benching

Causes 2 (explicitly) and 3 (maybe) have Canales’ fingerprints all over them.  Canales and position coaches may have also been involved in helping Bryce get to that critical ‘aha’ moment in cause 1.  

Any way that I look at it, Canales directly or indirectly is the instrument of Bryce’s success after returning as a starter.  Bryce gets full credit for his improved performance on the field but, I don’t see that happening without Canales.  YMMV

Edited Saturday at 11:00 PM by bythenbrs

[Navy_football]

I think Bryce didn't know the offense well enough to start the season. He seems to understand what's being asked of him a lot better now from play to play. He knows his protection, escape routes and checks at the snap. Sometimes it's harder to learn when you're in the fire.

Also think he didn't trust the oline or his receivers. Watching Dalton for a month helped him see that things were very different from last season. 

Finally, he found his swag. Maybe stopped putting so much pressure on himself and started playing to make plays rather than playing to not make mistakes. Canales benching him allowed all of that to happen.

[Icege]

4 hours ago, frankw said:

Jared Goff is #2 in the NFL in yards per attempt and yards per game.

We can have conversations without embarrassing ourselves off a cliff.

Good Lord man

Now we're not allowed to compare Bryce to other QBs selected #1 overall? Who are we allowed to compare him to aside from Aidan O'Connell?