Canales and use of Tight Ends

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

I'd say Moore is the next most versatile already being familiar with this system but he's just a guy. Maybe Thompkins for similar reasons but everything I've seen tells me he's really more of a decoy to get other guys open. 

After that, you have Tremble followed by a massive drop-off with the three rookies in XL/Coker/JT, all who get a fair amount of snaps together. Hopefully, getting a lot of experience now will speed things up for year two but it's certainly hampering things on the short term. 

Part of me thinks that need to give the the rookies the reps on the field sneaks into the playcalling. Like how Canales really wanted XL out there for the Bucs game and he ends up getting a lot of targets. A little surprised JT isn't getting that type of focus but it's possible they are working him more with blocking since he had issues with holding calls earlier in the year.

I think they decided to go with the rookies when they traded Johnson. If even 1 of the rookies would step up Theilen could work the defense to help them. As it is now he has to be our offensive threat all by himself. 

[kungfoodude]

44 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

This.

Chuba will have 2-3 gashing runs in a row. 10+ yard variety. The defense hasn’t had a chance to change personnel, and then he’ll call 3 low percentage passes in a row. 3rd and 3? Bomb it, son. Ok, now punt. Our defense is tired. In the blink of an eye they’re now down 17 -0 instead of the game being potentially 10-7 had he just continued to do the obvious. Good job being down 3 scores instead of 1. He gets allergic to the run at the worst possible time. 

He definitely feels himself, frequently. Thielen and Chuba have bailed him out time and time again. 

Yeah, I mean one of the best ways to handle a suspect defense is to grind the opponent to paste with a dominant rushing attack. Which....we are literally built for.

[countryboi]

Using the Dallas game as an example, Canales abandoned the run before the game was even out of hand after a few poor drives and allowed their pass rushers to do what they do best. Even Micah Parsons mentioned this himself. Additionally, I don't know if I have ever seen Canales run the ball on a third and short.

The feeling I get is that he is in over his head as a play caller and needs to pass it on to someone else.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I mean one of the best ways to handle a suspect defense is to grind the opponent to paste with a dominant rushing attack. Which....we are literally built for.

Which we did twice this year.  Giants and cards.  And barely won both

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Which we did twice this year.  Giants and cards.  And barely won both

Yeah and it isn't gonna work against every opponent but we have faced some of the rest of the bottom 10 rushing defenses and did not consistently make them pay, IMO.

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

1 hour ago, RevJ said:

Thomas will make just under $2 million per reception and over $3/4 million per yard gained.  I don't have NC Statutes at hand but it seems like this should be illegal.

 

Ian Thomas making multi-millions to have 7 more yards than me is a felony

[LinvilleGorge]

Our TEs suck.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

Ian Thomas making multi-millions to have 7 more yards than me is a felony

It's hard to recall anyone who has made more money to do less on the field outside of pre-rookie wage scale top pick busts.

[Mage]

50 minutes ago, countryboi said:

Using the Dallas game as an example, Canales abandoned the run before the game was even out of hand after a few poor drives and allowed their pass rushers to do what they do best. Even Micah Parsons mentioned this himself. Additionally, I don't know if I have ever seen Canales run the ball on a third and short.

Hubbard had only 4 fewer carries on 3rd and short than Derrick Henry did.  He had as many as Bijan Robinson and 2 fewer than Josh Jacobs.

[countryboi]

34 minutes ago, Mage said:

Hubbard had only 4 fewer carries on 3rd and short than Derrick Henry did.  He had as many as Bijan Robinson and 2 fewer than Josh Jacobs.

Yeah, I don’t know what the statistics are. But if I had to guess, I would guess that most of Chuba opportunities come on goal line situations. Either way Canales playcalling in short situation don’t pass eyeball test.

[OldhamA]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

We are averaging 290 yards a game, almost dead last but hey that is up from 265 last year.  So I guess technically you are correct

He has Bryce Young at QB, there's really not a great deal you can do.

I don't really have a problem with his play calling - the plays are often there to be made.