PFF grades from Panthers' Week 17 loss to Buccaneers

[TheSpecialJuan]

6 hours ago, Icege said:

 

We can take away a few positives here; mainly rookies Demani Richardson and Jaden Crumedy. Richardson looks like he could be a contributor at the SAF next season. Crumedy had half a sack and should be starting over LaBryan Ray at DE. 

[Panthercougar68]

When your signal caller linebacker is the worst player of the day you know you’re in for a bad day. 

[Panthercougar68]

A’Shawn will be fun to watch next year if we get better pass rushers and have some pass rushing packages 

[Jay Roosevelt]

Barrett Carter in the 2nd, please.

[Khyber53]

On 12/30/2024 at 5:58 PM, TheSpecialJuan said:

Worst of the offense

10. RB Raheem Blackshear: 52.1
11. TE Ja’Tavion Sanders: 51.4
11. LT Ikem Ekwonu: 51.4
13. RG Robert Hunt: 42.9
14. RB Mike Boone: 42.3

 

That aforementioned pressure rate got some juice from Hunt, who allowed a game-high seven pressures. Ekwonu was charged with two pressures, both of which accounted as sacks.

In the absence of starting running back Chuba Hubbard, Blackshear and Boone combined for 31 rushing yards on 10 carries

We also can't forget that neither Blackshear or Boone were any good at picking up blitzers coming in. The team missed Chuba for more than carrying the ball. Chuba this season has begun attacking the incoming blitzer like CMC used to, and that has helped Bryce so much. 

Hunt had a bad game and there's something that the Bucs coaching staff identified (perhaps during the last meeting) that allowed them to get the better of him again and again. It was way out of his regular levels of performance. Perhaps there was an unreported injury that they picked up on.

Ickey. Man, that's one of the toughest jobs in the NFL he has. And our lack of running game didn't help him any. He's doing enough to hang on to the job, but he's performing poorly enough to make him vulnerable to a training camp challenge from a FA vet or a really under-scouted rookie.

[Khyber53]

And on defense... never seen a group that had such a hard time making even the most straightforward tackle.

We need to move back to the 4-3 and rebuild the linebacking corps. That group has always set the tone for our team. I don't like the tone they've set since Shaq went down and honestly, I don't know if he can come back from this injury.

 

[raleigh-panther]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

And on defense... never seen a group that had such a hard time making even the most straightforward tackle.

We need to move back to the 4-3 and rebuild the linebacking corps. That group has always set the tone for our team. I don't like the tone they've set since Shaq went down and honestly, I don't know if he can come back from this injury.

 

Agree completely ..and I’ve never seen a group on defense being so unaware of where the play is going and the ball carrier is…it is mind boggling 

…I’m honestly not sold on Tevin either…sure he makes tackles but how many are for no gain or a loss 

There are many things that can be used to justify keeping Evero but there are just as many that justify not…

1. key players not wanting to stay in his system…Luvu among them…and Horn may not be such a slam dunk resign either  he has finally gotten vocal about how is used in Evero’s system

2. his wanting DJ Johnson and the Panthers moving up to take him…

3. His refusal, or inability, to adjust his system scheme  to the personnel he has or in game conditions 

4. he had several of his hand picked players this year, players with a history with him, players he wanted brought in with not much impact 

5. And the biggest

        over his two years, the key stat of ‘points allowed’ was not great last year, this year abysmal…historically abysmal …you cannot keep your job when the side of the ball you own is in the ‘historical fail’ category in all of NFL history 

I’ve grown sick of Canales’ blowing  sunshine up people’s butts over this

they need to move on from Evero..for his sake and the franchise’s. He will land on his feet but it cannot be in charlotte 

Atlanta scoring more than 37 points this weekend will cement David Tepper’s time in Carolina…the DC he had to have and would not let leave last year, will immortalize his franchise as the all time worst defense in the points allowed in a season category IN NFL HISTORY 

well done Panthers…well done ..that’s some achievement right there 

personally, I hope they make it

Edited Wednesday at 02:50 PM by raleigh-panther

[Icege]

52 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

…I’m honestly not sold on Tevin either…sure he makes tackles but how many are for no gain or a loss 

This got me wondering and when I went and looked it up he only has 1 sack and 2 TFLs over 13 games (8 starts).

However, he's only been blitzed 17 times which aligns with Evero's heavy cover 3 zone usage this season. They relied on Jaycee to shut down 1/3 of the field which is what left us with Mike Jackson and Caleb Farley covering the other teams' WR1s.

Wallace definitely has the athleticism to be on the field. We'll have to see how his eyes and instincts develop over the offseason to see if the rookie hype is worth buying into (I think it might be :D). If Evero is retained, I fully expect the office to finally give him some talent to work with so that he can run his scheme instead of having to play simple bend don't break due to a talent deficit.

To those other points you made tho... #1 was guys chasing a pay day, #3 isn't true, but #2 + #4 + #5 are definitely fair.

Edited Wednesday at 03:38 PM by Icege

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

2. his wanting DJ Johnson and the Panthers moving up to take him…

I don't hold this against Evero.  Coaches aren't scouts.  If the DC loves a prospect that's projected as a 7th rounder or UDFA, you don't trade up to pick him in the 3rd.  That fault lies with the front office for being morons.

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I don't hold this against Evero.  Coaches aren't scouts.  If the DC loves a prospect that's projected as a 7th rounder or UDFA, you don't trade up to pick him in the 3rd.  That fault lies with the front office for being morons.

Actually, I hold the whole defense against Evero. It was terrible last year and it's even worse this year.

Injuries aside, the players look ill-prepared to play, they are timid in tackling and we seem to be very passive in our defensive play calling. 

I think Evero will be among the coaches called for head coaching interviews and we may get very lucky and he gets a head coaching job somewhere out there. If not, we desperately need to move on. And he isn't one of Canales' guys, but he was given that extra year here at Tepper's request. I think that boon has worn thin. Any words as to keeping the guy right now are just stagecraft and positioning.

[PNW_PantherMan]

22 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think Evero will be among the coaches called for head coaching interviews and we may get very lucky and he gets a head coaching job somewhere out there.

He'll get interviews because of the Rooney rule, but nobody's hiring the DC of the worst defense in the NFL to be their head coach.  Not trying to call you out specifically, but this is probably the most delusional take I've seen on this board.  I've seen others mention it too.

You will have to fire him.

Edited Wednesday at 05:49 PM by PNW_PantherMan

[raleigh-panther]

3 hours ago, Icege said:

This got me wondering and when I went and looked it up he only has 1 sack and 2 TFLs over 13 games (8 starts).

However, he's only been blitzed 17 times which aligns with Evero's heavy cover 3 zone usage this season. They relied on Jaycee to shut down 1/3 of the field which is what left us with Mike Jackson and Caleb Farley covering the other teams' WR1s.

Wallace definitely has the athleticism to be on the field. We'll have to see how his eyes and instincts develop over the offseason to see if the rookie hype is worth buying into (I think it might be :D). If Evero is retained, I fully expect the office to finally give him some talent to work with so that he can run his scheme instead of having to play simple bend don't break due to a talent deficit.

To those other points you made tho... #1 was guys chasing a pay day, #3 isn't true, but #2 + #4 + #5 are definitely fair.

thank you Icege 

I believe number 3 is true.  Others do as well   So we can agree to disagree  there is something very very wrong when Horn is not covering Evans or Lamb or or or 

It is very troubling to me that Luvu chose to leave.  That Chin is doing well along with several others 

it will be extremely interesting to see what transpires with Horn in off season

i really want the franchise to get on of the top DCs in the league…that has had to build  defense.….not  a big fan of the 3 4 in any case ..but that has always been my prejudice

 

[Khyber53]

4 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

He'll get interviews because of the Rooney rule, but nobody's hiring the DC of the worst defense in the NFL to be their head coach.  Not trying to call you out specifically, but this is probably the most delusional take I've seen on this board.  I've seen others mention it too.

You will have to fire him.

Let's wait and see how it turns out. Much stranger things have happened in this league. I think we will have to fire him/ let him go, but he might interview well and throw the management team and ownership under the bus during an interview, which he'd create some hard to argue against points.

I've been saying he's been terrible since last season and I feel that perhaps he was retained for the Rooney rule pay-off if he got a head coaching gig elsewhere.

He's probably the worst defensive coordinator I've ever seen.

But trust me, there are many, many much more delusional things that have been said on this board, before and now. 

[pantherj]

On 12/30/2024 at 5:59 PM, TheSpecialJuan said:

Worst of the defense

 

13. OLB D.J. Wonnum: 40.8
14. OLB Cam Gill: 39.7
15. OLB DJ Johnson: 38.5
16. DT A’Shawn Robinson: 34.9
17. ILB Chandler Wooten: 27.4

Richardson’s tie in stops found him sitting alongside Wooten, who missed two tackles as well. He was also charged with allowing seven receptions for 184 yards over eight targets.

DJ Wonnum, Cam Gill and DJ Johnson combined for just two pressures.

Wooten the hell is he doing on this team?