I was ready to jump on Bryce about QBR & passer RTG, but...

[TD alt]

I know that plenty of people want to disregard stats in favor of the eye test and all that, and I've been guilty of it when it just doesn't support my narrative based upon observation, but you have to have some kind of way to judge these guys. I will say that QBR has been lauded as the better metric by many analysts (especially ESPN analysts), But passer rating is important as well, as you will see from perusing the last five games of these guys. What we can't see is, at least from these stats, is what I call the "win gene." Some guys are simply going to carry their teams to the win near the end of games (like Mahomes or Brady), and some just can't seem to get it done on a consistent basis. We also can't necessarily quantify from these images is how important the supporting casts are (from an offensive and defensive perspective) and how they affect a QB's overall passer rating and QBR, but we all know they play an important part, and I believe that it's not a mistake that the best QBs, especially the ones that push for championships, have solid supporting casts. 

 Bryce is making strides, but is not in the top echelons at this point, even during the last month or so.

I think Bryce has some failings for sure and I'm still highly skeptical of his height and how that impacts his ability to see the field which of course speaks to making the proper reads, ball placement and passing in general, but he may be able to hold his own among the big boys one day.

Plenty of people are still lauding Stroud and he has shown an ability to be an elite passer at times, but his decision making leaves a lot to be desired, and, honestly there may come a day (and it might not be that far off) that Bryce may surpass him, if nothing else at QB efficiency. If you're going to give Stroud grace, then you gotta give Bryce Grace as well. I don't care what Stroud looked like yesteryear, how's he looking now?

 

Pat Mahomes hasn't been very efficient this season, but there's a trend the last couple of games  

 

And everyone has lauded Josh Allen 

Allen has been excellent, but has he really been better than Lamar Jackson?

And, then there's Sam.  Darnold is carving teams up.

And last but not least is the so-called Joe Cool (which is impossible because this guy isn't 68 years old). Burrow is playing well, but he may be left on the outside looking in. Burrow's line has been letting him down, but he's still playing at a high level.

 

So, again, there's only so much QBR and passer rating can tell you. But, I'd say that just looking at the numbers and reflecting upon the context of the situation, Bryce may be able to be that franchise QB that we've been looking for. It's not a stretch based upon his efficiency. But he has to keep improving and play to a level of consistency befitting of a QB1. That being said, he's going to have more games with a passer rating in the 100s if we can really expect to be legitimate contenders for championships. That QBR will have to rise as well. Whether he can raise his game to that level is anyone's guess, but with better personnel will likely come consistently better play...At least that's the hope. And yes, that is actual "hope" and not "cope" looking at his current efficiency level.

Edited December 30, 2024 by TD alt

[Jaxel]

Outside of that Dallas game, Bryce has been pretty consistent.

[TD alt]

2 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

Outside of that Dallas game, Bryce has been pretty consistent.

Enh!

[PanthersNCSU]

The list of truly franchise-altering QBs is a lot smaller than people think IMO. Half of the good QBs in the league now were either late-bloomers or just found the right situation/coach. 

Bryce has his faults, but he's improving. All things considered (the rookie contract) and the need to build this entire team? Bryce is one of the best options we can make for next year, and I'd argue there's only 10-12 guys we'd for sure take over him. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, PanthersNCSU said:

The list of truly franchise-altering QBs is a lot smaller than people think IMO. Half of the good QBs in the league now were either late-bloomers or just found the right situation/coach. 

Bryce has his faults, but he's improving. All things considered (the rookie contract) and the need to build this entire team? Bryce is one of the best options we can make for next year, and I'd argue there's only 10-12 guys we'd for sure take over him. 

The elite class at QB is always pretty small. The second group is usually bigger, with the Goff/Cousins/Matt Ryan/Dak tier. 

[TD alt]

45 minutes ago, PanthersNCSU said:

...I'd argue there's only 10-12 guys we'd for sure take over him. 

Interesting. I still think that you may be saying this in light of what we spent to get him. But, maybe not.

Let me just say that after seeing Bryce's height, which I believe absolutely affects his play negatively, and to a lesser extent his arm strength, there are more guys on the list for me than that. Like the Tuna said, "He better walk on water," and Bryce hasn't done that. But taking just my general belief that a QB needs a little size (pun not intended) and just looking at the relative results, I can see your point. 

It may be a hot take, but I can even see keeping Bryce over Stroud if we're looking at the last half of the season. Stroud is not in the company of Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, Allen, Goff, or even Darnold, Love or Mayfield. 

The jury is still out on him and Young.

[pantherclaw]

Bryce has shown me, he belongs.  

Better than most will ever give him credit for. 

[TD alt]

7 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Bryce has shown me, he belongs.  

Better than most will ever give him credit for. 

See, I understand your optimism on an emotional level, but on an intellectual level, I don't see how at this point you can come to that conclusion. Especially in reference to having the skills to win a ring. He may likely "belong" in the NFL, but that doesn't necessarily mean he should be our starter. 

[pantherclaw]

2 minutes ago, TD alt said:

See, I understand your optimism on an emotional level, but on an intellectual level, I don't see how at this point you can come to that conclusion. Especially in reference to having the skills to win a ring. He may likely "belong" in the NFL, but that doesn't necessarily mean he should be our starter. 

Not emotional. 

Thanks for talking down to me. 

Have a good day. 

[TD alt]

6 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Not emotional. 

Thanks for talking down to me. 

Have a good day. 

I didn't realize that saying that I understood someone on an emotional level was "talking down" to them. You didn't really address the  point or answer the question that I was making. Wow, pantherclaw. Talking about being emotional for no damned good reason. But you do you.

Edited December 30, 2024 by TD alt

[GoobyPls]

All the former QB film watchers have lauded Bryce these past couple of weeks. Anyone basing their whole opinion on Bryce looking at volume stats don’t know what they are talking about.

[Aussie Tank]

And his supporting cast is not the same as those Franchise Guys apart from Josh Allen he's doing more with less than the others 

[pantherclaw]

9 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I didn't realize that saying that I understood someone on an emotional level was "talking down" to them. You didn't really address the  point or answer the question that I was making. Wow, pantherclaw. Talking about being emotional for no damned good reason. But you do you.

You are making so.many assumptions. Incapable of even understanding what little has been said already. So i have no desire are debate with a wall. 

Nothing emotional about it at all.quite logical actually.

God Bless. 

Edited December 30, 2024 by pantherclaw

[TD alt]

Just now, pantherclaw said:

You are making so.many assumptions. Incapable of even understanding what little has been said already. Sominhave no desire are debate with a wall. 

Nothing emotional about it at all.quite logical actually.

Gos Bless. 

You're the one making assumptions, and I've been the main one talking in this thread, so if there is something that was said to be misunderstood, it was by me. Carry on.