Bryce stats since being benched

[TD alt]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Great points--and yes, if you suggest anything out of balance, you have to hate the people involved.  Most folks are all in or all out; black or white--do not get the concept of gray area and that is where this stuff is found.  I still go after a WR or two and a QB.

While QB is not great at the top of the draft, the middle rounds should be a great place to pick a QB who can be a solid backup and potential starter in time.  So if I say, "We should draft Rourke or Ewers in the third round" I get "he sucks. Not an NFL starter!"  Nope.  Neither was Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner,  Russell Wilson, Brady, Cousins, etc.

I think Milroe in round 2 will be tempting for teams looking to develop a QB because he is a dual threat.

Ewers kept a manning on the bench and Texas became relevant under him.  Injured a lot, but conditioning and more awareness of injury prevention is critical.  Rourke has a lightning quick release and Indiana had their greatest season in decades under him.  Howard (Ohio State) may step up in the playoffs.  I see Carson Beck as a qb with the tools, but he lost his mojo, it seems.  Worth a third rounder and if he never becomes more than a backup, that is good value. Klubnik (Clemson) could be a solid pick in the fourth round or so--he has the potential.  I think these qbs are in an excellent position to develop slowly and learn from NFL coaches, while Sanders and Ward will have to sink or swim.

 

I'm down for any of them, Milroe in particular. We need to spice things up around here. 

[Bear Hands]

You can’t deny he’s been better.

buuut— you can still spot the things he’s having a hard time overcoming at this level. Regardless, he’s been making smarter decisions and more clutch throws. So we’ve got Bryce for 2025 and we’ll see what happens. 

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I admittedly wasn’t glued to the game.  I know XL catching everything he deserves and then some. 

but I know Bryce throws a lot of bad balls that get almost no talk these days… I remember XL had his guy beat deep and Bryce drastically under threw him as well.  Basically the textbook Canales ball for his O.  

David Moore let a TD go right through his hands just before Eddie did his thing. It could have been 21-27 at the half. 

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

David Moore let a TD go right through his hands just before Eddie did his thing. It could have been 21-27 at the half. 

I still think the XL stuff is getting silly.  Some guy broke down this week for example.  XL basically had 1 ball where he timed his jump wrong trying to go over the top of someone and should have had that one…..but thats it on Sunday.  That’s the only actual “bad” play by XL. 

The others were a pretty obvious PI that the announcers oddly just talked through and ignored, a Bryce over throw and a Bryce under throw.  Leggtte caught the other 5.   Not a bad game at all from the rookie in reality.  

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I still think the XL stuff is getting silly.  Some guy broke down this week for example.  XL basically had 1 ball where he timed his jump wrong trying to go over the top of someone and should have had that one…..but thats it on Sunday.  That’s the only actual “bad” play by XL. 

The others were a pretty obvious PI that he announcers oddly just talked through, a Bryce over throw and a Bryce under throw.  Leggtte caught the other 5.   Not a bad game at all from the rookie in reality.  

His drops come at crucial times when he can ilafford to. It appears the pressure gets to him or he loses focus.

[Krovvy]

Not a stat but more of an example for X factor.

The longer a Panthers offensive play goes the more I'm excited for what can transpire. The same feeling I had with Cam. It's tenuous with Bryce, but he's starting to show why he was drafted first overall, at least in the playmaking department.

[ProcessBlue2]

We never had this debate with Cam or Jake (early years).

A franchise QB doesn't have the fanbase split on whether he is the franchise QB or not. 

You think people in DC are debating whether or not Daniels is their franchise QB or not? You think Denver is doing it?

You guys get attached too easy.

[outlaw4]

6 hours ago, CRA said:

I'm just not convinced this team has ever had the right vision for Bryce.   All that stuff matters.  NFL isn't just a raw talent league.  Where you land matters.  The O matters.  The scheme matters. 

I think Bryce has done well improving.....given I still think he is a square peg largely in our round hole.  

If starting from scratch, the Frank nor Canales O is what I would have dreamed up for Bryce to be in.  Nor would I dream up AT, XL, Hubbard as the key investment for his O.  It's not about not liking anyone.  I just don't see the big picture in it all.  People think I hate AT now.  I don't.   I just value quick/YAC guys at the slot and in the backfield if I am rolling w/ Bryce Young.  I've said that since the day we drafted him.  Just what I believe you got to offer him.    And I don't think Canales' scheme is creative enough to scheme guys open and for the YAC types to thrive.  

I dislike the big picture marriages under Tepper.  Not so much anyone in particular. 

Frank's O was more like a nightmare than no QB at this level should've been asked to run. Not sure what changes Brown brought on board but the thing was that - in theory - he was the right type of guy because he worked under McVay, a guy who is probably the best scheming guys open and producing YAC. Problem was that we didn't have the pieces then - or now - to run a McVay type of offense.

XL definitely still confuses me for a draft pick. The guards were absolutely necessary regardless of QB because allowing so much interior pressure in 2023 was fatal to running any offense. Chuba is a nice piece, although we really should run more for effective play action. I have at least seen guys getting open at times under Canales but our short to intermediate game needs a lot of work. Can't run effective screens. Can't get guys to break tackles and break ankles to get some extra yardage. 

[Krovvy]

6 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

We never had this debate with Cam or Jake (early years).

A franchise QB doesn't have the fanbase split on whether he is the franchise QB or not. 

You think people in DC are debating whether or not Daniels is their franchise QB or not? You think Denver is doing it?

You guys get attached too easy.

We had so many people in this fanbase advocating for benching Cam at times and start Derek Anderson. They were fools, but it was quite often. A lot of the fanbase were happy when Cam was released and we could finally get a 'real' quarterback.

Edited December 31, 2024 by Krovvy

[CamWhoaaCam]

9 hours ago, TD alt said:

I'm down for any of them, Milroe in particular. We need to spice things up around here. 

Stop it.

[frankw]

2 hours ago, Krovvy said:

We had so many people in this fanbase advocating for benching Cam at times and start Derek Anderson. They were fools, but it was quite often. A lot of the fanbase were happy when Cam was released and we could finally get a 'real' quarterback.

Those people were and are toolbags.

But that's a world of difference from where we are now.

To anyone with eyes Cam Newton was from his first snap in the NFL a very special talent at the position and undeniably someone to build around.

I don't mean to be rude. But you cannot tell me with a straight face we haven't lowered standards since then. We have. Expectations are incredibly low.

Edited December 31, 2024 by frankw

[Davidson Deac II]

8 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

We never had this debate with Cam or Jake (early years).

A franchise QB doesn't have the fanbase split on whether he is the franchise QB or not. 

You must not have been around for the early years of either one.  At least on this message board, there were multiple people who wanted to replace both of them.  

[bigjohn]

Things most of us should agree on:

-Bryce has improved over the year
-He has had some very good moments in clutch situations
-He has a good O-line, running game and one good (proven) receiver
-He isn’t as big and strong as other qb’s
-He misses some throws and still has lots of room for improvement

 

Things we don’t know yet:

-We don’t know his ceiling
-How long we should give him to develop (Darnold, Mayfield)
-How he will look with another viable receiver or two 
 

I know it’s the cool thing to do to want to throw him out and move on. People are so impatient (and as Panthers fans we have moved from hopeless to impatient, which is actually a good sign).

I don’t pretend to know if he will ever be “the guy”, but I’ll take improvement right now. And I like the job Morgan and Canales have done so far and am inclined to see how they can develop Bryce and the team.

[Tr3ach]

18 hours ago, CRA said:

what's our situation? Great OL.  Solid rush game.  Meh WRs.  That's not actually a nightmare scenario in the NFL and it often seems to be painted as such.  We should be producing more O from the QB spot IMO.  You got to look at the combo of Bryce and Dave IMO.  I still think it's a conflicting pairing.  

 

 

Meh wr?  Thielen is our #1 wr and who is our #1 te?  That's a good bit below meh