Bryce stats since being benched

[electro's horse]

I think this is actually pretty interesting and worth a serious discussion. 

Looking at the teams Bryce has played since his benching, almost all of them are bottom third in the league in total defense. Three notable exceptions: broncos, eagles, chiefs. 

In Denver he had a good opening drive, broncos said “oh that was cute,” made adjustments, and then the offense vanished until the fourth quarter when the game was a laugher. 

eagles he got completely shut down all game until a couple of dramatic throws in the fourth. That game was really more about the defense playing out of its mind. 

Gonna come back to the chiefs. 

What he’s shown is that he doesn’t throw interceptions, and against bottom third defenses, if the panthers defense does its job he can keep it close enough so that someone else can win it, whether that be Chuba or Daniel jones. 

another exception here is Dallas who destroyed him, but I think that’s just Micah parsons being that good and Bryce having no idea where he was coming from because he’s not doing much of anything at the line pre snap.

the chiefs game is such an outlier. I think the chiefs are massive frauds in general. I think the panthers are one of the few teams that can neutralize cris jones (who should be DPOTY or the award doesn’t mean anything), and the panthers had two weeks to prepare and threw everything they had at KC. Bryce defenders point to this game as the end all be all or whatever, but then the next logical question is what do they think about Aiden O’Connell who just lit this team up the next week? I dunno I kinda think the chiefs game was just a complete outlier where a ton of panthers had the best game of their lives against a team that probably wasn’t taking them very seriously. Just like the teddy bridgewater game in arrowhead. 

so yeah, based on this very cherry picked sample size, against the worst defenses in the league Bryce can limit interceptions (not fumbles) and keep it close enough for Chuba to win it in overtime. 

and then once a season he plays out of his mind.  

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

what's our situation? Great OL.  Solid rush game.  Meh WRs.  That's not actually a nightmare scenario in the NFL and it often seems to be painted as such.  We should be producing more O.  You got to look at the combo of Bryce and Dave IMO. 

 

The rush game is solid until they fall behind and abandon it as soon as they go down 1 score. The OL has been world's better but inconsistent. Our situation is still one of if not the worse in the league still. And the defense give up more po8nts than this offense can score no matter how many points the offense scores. So to say we have a better offensive team then those guys and only the qb is holding back is disingenuous at best. Put Young in the Eagls or even Dallas he would be putting the numbers you say matter. That's where I see it.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, what are a handful of teams where offensively you think the QB is in a comparable overall spot or worse?  We are just talking offensive production in the end.  Bryce isn't in the worst spot offensively in the NFL.   This isn't last year.   I can flip that too......a lot of QBs inserted into Carolina would be out performing Bryce if we are honest.  He has a great OL and run game.  Which is the biggest gift you can give a QB. 

Stroud would give his left nut to have the OLine that BY has. 

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The rush game is solid until they fall behind and abandon it as soon as they go down 1 score. The OL has been world's better but inconsistent. Our situation is still one of if not the worse in the league still. 

So who is in that convo though on the offensive side of the ball?  

New England? There rookie is still out producing Bryce at the QB spot.   I mean, yeah, anyone would likely be better on a juggernaut team.  Anyone would probably be worse on a bad team.  I still think Bryce is coming in below what we should be getting on O.  Especially given we lose each week.  It basically is a setup for inflated pass numbers.  His comp% and overall yardage produced just is just lacking.  

and I don't think it is all Bryce.  I don't think him and Dave ever fit.  I don't think Dave wanted him.  Which is why he got benched so quick.   

[Jon Snow]

Just now, CRA said:

So who is in that convo though on the offensive side of the ball?  

 New England? There rookie is still out producing Bryce at the QB spot.   

Our situation is the worst. And Young didn't help himself those 1st 2 games. But I contend that if you put him on another team he would have significantly better numbers. Put him on Atlanta last night and they win convincingly. 

[fanpanther]

26 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I think this is actually pretty interesting and worth a serious discussion. 

Looking at the teams Bryce has played since his benching, almost all of them are bottom third in the league in total defense. Three notable exceptions: broncos, eagles, chiefs. 

In Denver he had a good opening drive, broncos said “oh that was cute,” made adjustments, and then the offense vanished until the fourth quarter when the game was a laugher. 

eagles he got completely shut down all game until a couple of dramatic throws in the fourth. That game was really more about the defense playing out of its mind. 

Gonna come back to the chiefs. 

What he’s shown is that he doesn’t throw interceptions, and against bottom third defenses, if the panthers defense does its job he can keep it close enough so that someone else can win it, whether that be Chuba or Daniel jones. 

another exception here is Dallas who destroyed him, but I think that’s just Micah parsons being that good and Bryce having no idea where he was coming from because he’s not doing much of anything at the line pre snap.

the chiefs game is such an outlier. I think the chiefs are massive frauds in general. I think the panthers are one of the few teams that can neutralize cris jones (who should be DPOTY or the award doesn’t mean anything), and the panthers had two weeks to prepare and threw everything they had at KC. Bryce defenders point to this game as the end all be all or whatever, but then the next logical question is what do they think about Aiden O’Connell who just lit this team up the next week? I dunno I kinda think the chiefs game was just a complete outlier where a ton of panthers had the best game of their lives against a team that probably wasn’t taking them very seriously. Just like the teddy bridgewater game in arrowhead. 

so yeah, based on this very cherry picked sample size, against the worst defenses in the league Bryce can limit interceptions (not fumbles) and keep it close enough for Chuba to win it in overtime. 

and then once a season he plays out of his mind.  

Totally agree the chiefs are not as good as they seem.  They have won so many games this year on total fluke plays and bad ref calls.  

[mav1234]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

So who is in that convo though on the offensive side of the ball?  

New England? There rookie is still out producing Bryce at the QB spot.   I mean, yeah, anyone would likely be better on a juggernaut team.  Anyone would probably be worse on a bad team.  I still think Bryce is coming in below what we should be getting on O.  Especially given we lose each week.  It basically is a setup for inflated pass numbers. 

NE is worse in every way I think, lol.  Watching them play is painful. 

It's a good question. Outside of QB - and including the OL - which teams are worse overall this year, given injuries etc?  We have a top 10 line and running game, and thus a decent scoring offense. We have a very good #2 level receiver in AT. 

I'd need to pay closer attention to some rosters but my instinct is NE, CLE, JAX, TEN, CHI, NYG, HOU(receivers better by a lot for those last 3 but not others - and HOU has been decimated by injuries) are below us in overall O talent other than QB. There may be others, I've not watched many bubble teams this year.

I think there's probably 20 QBs that easily look  as good or better than Bryce on this offense, with virtually every starting rookie QB and Stroud on that list.  But Bryce is definitely improving and that may not be true next season.

[mav1234]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Our situation is the worst. And Young didn't help himself those 1st 2 games. But I contend that if you put him on another team he would have significantly better numbers. Put him on Atlanta last night and they win convincingly. 

How is our situation the worst?  We have a receiver that is regularly top 5 in separation. Promising young TE and WR, tho we can't get them the ball...We have a top 10 OL...

Well now that Hubbard is out we are in a much worse spot, lol. But for most of the season we weren't...

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Our situation is the worst. And Young didn't help himself those 1st 2 games. But I contend that if you put him on another team he would have significantly better numbers. Put him on Atlanta last night and they win convincingly. 

well, then we just disagree on that.  I do not think Carolina has the worst supporting cast around the QB in the NFL.  Several comparable spots in the league on the offensive side of the ball.   

Bryce still is missing way too many throws. Too many bad throws.  Only Anthony Richardson is worse in that department.  Since he has improved, some of that stuff isn't getting acknowledged like it should.    

 

 

 

[electro's horse]

11 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

Totally agree the chiefs are not as good as they seem.  They have won so many games this year on total fluke plays and bad ref calls.  

 

this is insanity 

[CRA]

16 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

NE is worse in every way I think, lol.  Watching them play is painful. 

It's a good question. Outside of QB - and including the OL - which teams are worse overall this year, given injuries etc?  We have a top 10 line and running game, and thus a decent scoring offense. We have a very good #2 level receiver in AT. 

I'd need to pay closer attention to some rosters but my instinct is NE, CLE, JAX, TEN, CHI, NYG, HOU(receivers better by a lot for those last 3 but not others - and HOU has been decimated by injuries) are below us in overall O talent other than QB. There may be others, I've not watched many bubble teams this year.

I think there's probably 20 QBs that easily look  as good or better than Bryce on this offense, with virtually every starting rookie QB and Stroud on that list.  But Bryce is definitely improving and that may not be true next season.

and if you take out just 2 games from his stats (the concussion game and the garbage time game where he didn't really play in either) which skew his numbers drastically....

Maye is out performing post benching Bryce in New England across the board as a rookie in basically every metric in a bad situation.  More efficient and more production. 

Bryce has improved.  But he isn't good yet.  We have let how bad it was impact how we view it now. 

[mav1234]

Bryce has had some incredible drives and great throws, but he's missed a lot and had plenty of bad throws - including some he gets bailed out on by AT.

I think he's very inconsistent which is why he'll do something like having some of the most "big time" throws but not pass for more than 300 yards over the stretch.  He's had a handful of overall very good games and an equal number of meh games.  Ultimately the inconsistency means he's about average.  He's so, so much better than last year it's easy to miss that.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

his comp% and efficiency is still pretty low....especially given he isn't shouldering a lot of offensive production.  Bryce flirting with that 60% line.....65+% is basically meh/average in today's NFL. 

I mean, there is clear improvement.  But the bar was basically thrown to the floor.  He still has work to reach average 

I agree--He is still approaching average, and average is what half the teams in the NFL are or strive to be.  However, average stats on a bad team are better than average stats on a good team. 

Most of this year, Bryce has had a strong running game--he lost TMJ, Mingo, Johnson, and for many games, AT (regardless of how good you think these players were, they required time and reps to develop chemistry).  While improving his numbers, he lost his starting C and his WRs were basically Coker, XL, and Moore.  His TE, another rookie and Tremble, were his weapons.

Under those circumstances, other good QBs have failed.  Rodgers in NY has better weapons and a better defense.  Darnold has weapon and an OL now, and he is doing well, but he failed here.  Baker?  Ditto. 

Bryce has an OL--and this is a result of that--before his benching, he was gun shy and traumatized--he got to see the protection etc. he is now in full recovery.  Will his improvement continue if we upgrade our D, WR room, and maybe a TE?  Yes.  How much?  That is the question we will be answering in 2025.

[Jon Snow]

44 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, then we just disagree on that.  I do not think Carolina has the worst supporting cast around the QB in the NFL.  Several comparable spots in the league on the offensive side of the ball.   

Bryce still is missing way too many throws. Too many bad throws.  Only Anthony Richardson is worse in that department.  Since he has improved, some of that stuff isn't getting acknowledged like it should.    

 

 

 

He throws it away a lot I agree. But you cannot convince me that you look at this team and say Young is the problem. He may never be more than he is now here but I cannot say that putting him on a better team will not make a difference. That I do stand by.