Adam "Can't Stop The" Thielen Appreciation Thread

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

 

Our talent doesn't match the QB nor does the playcaller IMO.  That's been my stance basically since Bryce arrived.   

 

The panthers would need the NFL equivalent of the MONSTARS to compete with Bryce at qb. 

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Here's a head to head from yesterday. One is a future HOFer. Crazy that AT can't run after the catch, but has more yardage than Evans on fewer catches.  How does that math work?

 

are you attempting to argue that AT is a YAC WR in the NFL.....because he caught some balls against the 30th ranked pass O?  That's not what YAC and run after the catch is. 

AT is a savvy route running with great hands.   He is going to catch balls if you highlight him.  But it's basically throwing to a TE.   TEs catch balls. 

AT probably had at most 10 yards YAC this weekend.  The design of the O isn't even about that.   It's why Bryce's throws are so often with the WR running toward a boundary.   It also makes them safer throws.  Designed for a miss to be out of play. 

[45catfan]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

are you attempting to argue that AT is a YAC WR in the NFL.....because he caught some balls against the 30th ranked pass O?  That's not what YAC and run after the catch is. 

AT is a savvy route running with great hands.   He is going to catch balls if you highlight him.  But it's basically throwing to a TE.   TEs catch balls. 

Somewhere in the middle.  He's not got break away speed, granted, but he's not a catch and get tackled guy if the ball placement is such he doesn't have to break stride.  One TD yesterday he was able to split two defenders and yes, get behind them.  He stopped because he reached the end zone, but if there was room to run more he could have gotten more YAC.  Most of his routes are crossers or out breaking to the boundary which limits his YAC. He's not asked to go vertical often and that's where the YAC is accumulated in spades.

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Somewhere in the middle.  He's not got break away speed, granted, but he's not a catch and get tackled guy if the ball placement is such he doesn't have to break stride.  One TD yesterday he was able to split two defenders and yes, get behind them.  He stopped because he reached the end zone, but if there was room to run more he could have gotten more YAC.  Most of his routes are crossers or out breaking to the boundary which limits his YAC. He's not asked to go vertical often and that's where the YAC is accumulated in spades.

real YAC monsters aren't the vertical route runners.  Real YAC players take nothing and turn into something.  But yeah, it's also got to be part of the scheme and making that part of the O. 

if you look at the NFL YAC leaders.  Top 15.  7 of them of RBs.  Basically 50% of the leaders in YAC are RBs.  Which is what I have stressed since the day we drafted Bryce. What we need is someone like Buffalo has.  Shakir is #3 in the NFL.  That's a slot/YAC guy.  

if Bryce Young is your QB, you need people that can do something with a checkdown pass. 

I don't like the marriages under Tepper. Never have.  Nothing ever fits a real vision IMO.  Started with Rhule.   Random parts put together.  That's David Tepper.  That's been his way. You want Bryce? Fine.  Get him the YAC players and scheme.  We have never done that.  Want a Canales? Cool.  Get him a chunkball gambler for his O.  Get him a QB that fits that.  

[*FreeFua*]

Bryce Young benefitted from a whopping 18 YAC yesterday 

185 CAY

Drew Lock who had 309 passing yards yesterday had 140 CAY

Give me Luther Burden

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Bryce Young benefitted from a whopping 18 YAC yesterday 

185 CAY

Drew Lock who had 309 passing yards yesterday had 140 CAY

Give me Luther Burden

some of it's our weapons, some of it's our scheme/playcalling. 

Trying to win with Bryce Young and not fixating on YAC remains a silly experiment.  That's why we are the saddest pass attack in the NFL under him.  It's a horrible plan.   And Canales is a chunk play OC.  Another plan that makes no sense (but in fairness, the actual plan appeared for the chunk pass play OC to move on from him, hence the super quick benching).   But it just leaves us in this oddball marriage going into next year. 

[fanpanther]

40 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

The panthers would need the NFL equivalent of the MONSTARS to compete with Bryce at qb. 

Exactly people are like all panthers need is all pro oline all pro wrs all pro rb and all pro te.  So basicallly panthers need every other player to be best at their positions just to make young average looking

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

some of it's our weapons, some of it's our scheme/playcalling. 

Trying to win with Bryce Young and not fixating on YAC remains a silly experiment 

Bryce could be checking down to nightcrawler and he’d still be 15/27 for 184 yards

bryce defenders would be screaming that we can’t judge him until he’s handing the ball off to juggernaut. 

[mav1234]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

some of it's our weapons, some of it's our scheme/playcalling. 

Trying to win with Bryce Young and not fixating on YAC remains a silly experiment.  That's why we are the saddest pass attack in the NFL under him.  It's a horrible plan.   And Canales is a chunk play OC.  Another plan that makes no sense (but in fairness, the actual plan appeared for the chunk pass play OC to move on from him, hence the super quick benching).   But it just leaves us in this oddball marriage going into next year. 

Coker and Sanders were doing pretty well with YAC a couple games ago (as in their percent of yards from YAC). I think scheme is a big reason why we aren't doing better there, but some of it is also personnel and the throws Young seems comfortable with. 

I think TB had good YAC last year so I'm not sure how much it's Canales scheme vs adjusting to Bryce / other personnel.

[45catfan]

13 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Bryce Young benefitted from a whopping 18 YAC yesterday 

185 CAY

Drew Lock who had 309 passing yards yesterday had 140 CAY

Give me Luther Burden

WR3 in the top 10, likely top 5 in our case?  That's a bit of a reach.

[ECHornet]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

WR3 in the top 10, likely top 5 in our case?  That's a bit of a reach.

Who else besides Tet are you ranking higher than Burden?

[CRA]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

Coker and Sanders were doing pretty well with YAC a couple games ago (as in their percent of yards from YAC). I think scheme is a big reason why we aren't doing better there, but some of it is also personnel and the throws Young seems comfortable with. 

I think TB had good YAC last year so I'm not sure how much it's Canales scheme vs adjusting to Bryce / other personnel.

Tampa was middle of the pack last year in YAC.  I think that's just a product of the chunk ball approach.  You going to get some.  Seattle was never a YAC team either. 

Frankly, if you are trying to make Bryce work....you need a Joe Brady-ish variant.  Maybe a not green type that can work the ball in the redzone and isn't overseen by a complete numbskull like Rhule.    Bills are #2 in the NFL in YAC per catch.  Last time the Panthers sniffed great YAC was in 2020 when they made top 10 in YAC per catch.  Joe Brady.  

We bragged about drafting some point guard to dish it out that isn't a big arm QB......and forgot about all the rest of the puzzle that might allow that to work. 

 

[45catfan]

7 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Who else besides Tet are you ranking higher than Burden?

Semantics, but Hunter is gobbling up both CB1 and WR1.  I have yet to see Burden mocked in the top 10.  If we trade down several spots, maybe.  Reaching in the top 10 is never desired.

[Navy_football]

WRs are playmakers and game breakers. That's why good ones make so much money. They are often one on one with a defenders and if they can catch the ball and make him miss, a big plays results. Carolina receivers don't have the ability to do that. None of them are a threat after the catch. Most teams have multiple guys that can make you miss in space. Our QB is easily the most elusive player on the team. That's not a good thing unless you're the Ravens. Doesn't take Tyreek, Tank or Zay but give me something. We probably get under 40 yards of YAC off of 20+ receptions a game. That's horrible!