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[SCO96]

8 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Wait how are the Raiders the worst situation?

 

Do you realize the sleeping Giant that is Brock Bowers? That kid is the next great TE and I would take him over any WR not named Jefferson or Chase. That's absolutely the best spot for Shedeur.

 

People pay attention to Bowers he's literally putting up insane numbers with 3rd string QBs. I hate to see him with a legit QB.

Sanders and Brock Bowers aren't enough to get the Raiders past the Chiefs, Chargers, or even the Broncos. 

The Chiefs have been to the AFC title game the past 6 seasons. They've only failed to get to the SB in two of those seasons (2019 & 2022). Unless they get upset in the Divisional Round they're be there for 7 straight seasons...with homefield advantage yet again.

Harbaugh wins everywhere he goes...college...pros...back to college...back to pros.

Payton's teams are always going to score points, even when the defense is subpar, so they are never an easy out.

The Raiders are can't seem to get the HC position right and overall they aren't very good at drafting players. Things could change with Tom Brady in the building. But unless some drastic changes occur they will continue to flounder at the bottom of the AFC West for the next foreseeable future. 

[TD alt]

4 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

 

Where a player goes is much more important than where he is chosen in the draft.

 

And that's the "dirty little secret," that has become not so much of a secret in recent years, especially inasmuch as it relates to QB. Teams give up on guys way too early, coaches don't coach to their strengths, and some guys simply need more time to develop than others due to a variety of issues including understanding the transition to the pros, scheme fits, and the fugery of coaches, situations and organizations. Outside of QBs, you can even use guys like Jeremy Chinn, Mike Gesicki, or Haason Reddick as examples.

[CamWhoaaCam]

Just now, SCO96 said:

Sanders and Brock Bowers aren't enough to get the Raiders past the Chiefs, Chargers, or even the Broncos. 

The Chiefs have been to the AFC title game the past 6 seasons. They've only failed to get to the SB in two of those seasons (2019 & 2022). Unless they get upset in the Divisional Round they're be there for 7 straight seasons...with homefield advantage yet again.

Harbaugh wins everywhere he goes...college...pros...back to college...back to pros.

Payton's teams are always going to score points, even when the defense is subpar, so they are never an easy out.

The Raiders are can't seem to get the HC position right and overall they aren't very good at drafting players. Things could change with Tom Brady in the building. But unless some drastic changes occur they will continue to flounder at the bottom of the AFC West for the next foreseeable future. 

The Chiefs sure. But everyone else has that same problem. Chargers/Broncos haven't proved anything they just have good young QBs.

 

This is football at the end of the day. If you concerned about what division you're playing in then you probably not ready to be in the NFL anyway. I'm sure Sanders is looking at the city first and foremost.

[SCO96]

1 minute ago, TD alt said:

And that's the "dirty little secret," that has become not so much of a secret in recent years, especially inasmuch as it relates to QB. Teams give up on guys way too early, coaches don't coach to their strengths, and some guys simply need more time to develop than others due to a variety of issues including understanding the transition to the pros, scheme fits, and the fugery of coaches, situations and organizations. Outside of QBs, you can even use guys like Jeremy Chinn, Mike Gesicki, or Haason Reddick as examples.

Look at our own Greg Olsen. He goes to Chicago. His HC, Mike Martz, has little interest in throwing to TE's in his offense. The GM trades Olsen to Carolina for a 3rd round pick. You can make a strong argument that Olsen is a HOF caliber TE. He'd possibly be a forgotten player had he stayed with Bears, who haven't had a true threat at that position since Mike Ditka played there in the 1960's.

[LinvilleGorge]

Shedeur Sanders is basically a combination of the worst traits of Caleb Williams and Bryce Young. Good luck with that.

[Jon Snow]

2 hours ago, SCO96 said:

Everyone of those players would make us instantly better.

No, one none qb player does not make a team instantly better. Hopefully, they may make a noticeable impact but no team gets instantly better by adding 1 player. It takes a lot more than one. 

[SCO96]

11 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

The Chiefs sure. But everyone else has that same problem. Chargers/Broncos haven't proved anything they just have good young QBs

That really is the foundation in the modern NFL

 

11 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

This is football at the end of the day. If you concerned about what division you're playing in then you probably not ready to be in the NFL anyway. I'm sure Sanders is looking at the city first and foremost.

Good point. Most athletes aren't afraid of competition. I think what me and and the other poster was saying is that Sanders' chances at post-season success is going to be a little bit more difficult because of the teams he has to beat just to make it the playoff out his own division

To make matters worse he'd be playing for the Raiders. When I grew up they were literally the "bad boys of the NFL". There truly was "Raider Mystique". Now, the Raiders are an irrelevant franchise. I can't remember a year since 2001 where I went into a season thinking "You'd better watch out for the Raiders this season". Something is amiss with that franchise from the top down with the ownership and front office. Having a guy like Brady coming in from NE could be just what they need. But, they have to get the right HC and GM before they can turn things around.

[SCO96]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

No, one none qb player does not make a team instantly better. Hopefully, they may make a noticeable impact but no team gets instantly better by adding 1 player. It takes a lot more than one. 

Perhaps I should have said make the team "better at their position". Sanders, TMaC, Mason, Hunter, or Carter would be an immediate upgrade (talentwise) for the team and would start immediately...unless they're busts...which could happen.

[CamWhoaaCam]

13 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

That really is the foundation in the modern NFL

 

Good point. Most athletes aren't afraid of competition. I think what me and and the other poster was saying is that Sanders' chances at post-season success is going to be a little bit more difficult because of the teams he has to beat just to make it the playoff out his own division

To make matters worse he'd be playing for the Raiders. When I grew up they were literally the "bad boys of the NFL". There truly was "Raider Mystique". Now, the Raiders are an irrelevant franchise. I can't remember a year since 2001 where I went into a season thinking "You'd better watch out for the Raiders this season". Something is amiss with that franchise from the top down with the ownership and front office. Having a guy like Brady coming in from NE could be just what they need. But, they have to get the right HC and GM before they can turn things around.

Joe Burrow is a top 3 QB and his team might not even make the playoffs. Sure having a great young QB is a good foundation, but even the elite guys need some help to be consistent. If Burrow and the Bengals aren't a sure thing and they made the SB how are the Chargers and Broncos any different with lesser talented young QB's?

 

Who had Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Russell Wilson in the playoffs before the season? Each season brings something unexpected. The Broncos and Chargers could decline next season for all we know. The Chiefs are the only sure thing in the NFL at the moment. Everyone else trying to reach that level of sustained success.

[SCO96]

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Joe Burrow is a top 3 QB and his team might not even make the playoffs. Sure having a great young QB is a good foundation, but even the elite guys need some help to be consistent. If Burrow and the Bengals aren't a sure thing and they made the SB how are the Chargers and Broncos any different with lesser talented young QB's

Burrow also plays in a stacked division come to think of it. The AFC North sent 3 teams to the playoffs last season...and could do so again if the Bengals beat Pittsburgh this weekend and then they get a little help. 

That Bengals defense is almost as bad as ours. They're another team that couldn't spend their entire draft on defense (or most of it) and not catch to much flak for doing so. 

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Wait how are the Raiders the worst situation?

 

Do you realize the sleeping Giant that is Brock Bowers? That kid is the next great TE and I would take him over any WR not named Jefferson or Chase. That's absolutely the best spot for Shedeur.

 

People pay attention to Bowers he's literally putting up insane numbers with 3rd string QBs. I hate to see him with a legit QB.

 

2 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

The Chiefs sure. But everyone else has that same problem. Chargers/Broncos haven't proved anything they just have good young QBs.

 

This is football at the end of the day. If you concerned about what division you're playing in then you probably not ready to be in the NFL anyway. I'm sure Sanders is looking at the city first and foremost.

Dude, you were literally one of the people the last couple years talking about how winnable our division is because of the QB and HC situations for each team and that it should have made us an attractive option for the HC/QB candidates out there.

Now because it doesn't fit your narrative (your love of Shedeur and him going to the Raiders), you're arguing that players shouldn't factor the division into their decision making.

You can't have it both ways.

And even then, this is just a bad take on your part saying all the Chargers/Broncos have is young QB's.  As they also have great HC's who have a proven track record of winning and winning championships.  While both will also be playoff teams this year as well.

Just because the Raiders have Bowers, doesn't mean the team is in any position to contend in that division any time soon.  Just having 6 of your games against those other teams is a huge hinderance in making the playoffs.

So if Deion and the family are sitting back and looking at what places would give him a better chance at long term success, it's not going to be the division with the best HC/QB combo situations in the NFL.  If Nix pans out (and it's looking like he should), that division is going to be BRUTAL for the next 10 years, they legit could have the best QB in the game, another Top 5 QB, and then wherever Nix ends up as.

[Carolina Cajun]

Was looking at whos playing who this week, I think realistically we end at 5. 

The giants just showed the team still fighting and the eagles will be resting like everyone, nothing to gain, everything to lose.

Baltimore will play their starters fighting for the #3, so Cleveland is as good as dead. 

GB is iffy, I could see them give Love the second half off, otherwise, probably playing the starters, Chi loses. 

Buffalo benching everyone and Patriots have no benefit to tank because they have their QB, will go all in to win this.  Patriots will win and ruin their draft spot.  

Houston says they wont rest starters, but I doubt they'll stick to it, feel some time for backups will happen.  Tennessee can be fiesty, I think they win against an unmotivated Texans team.

Lastly, big key will be what happens in the Bengals/Steelers game which will affect the Chargers/raiders game.  IF Bengals win, then Chargers will have motivation cuzz a win gets them a more favorable matchup as the 5 seed.  IF the Steelers win, Chargers will have nothing to play for locked in the 6th seed.  Basically IMO if Steelers win, Chargers will rest starters and Vegas wins, if Bengals win, Chargers go all in and beat vegas.  I think Vegas wins because I think the Steelers win.

In my scenario, Cleveland is 1, NE is 2, Jax 3, Jets 4, us 5, Ten 6, NYG 7, Chi 8, Vegas 9, NO 10.

Still, a lot could happen, but will be interesting none the less.

[CamWhoaaCam]

23 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

 

Dude, you were literally one of the people the last couple years talking about how winnable our division is because of the QB and HC situations for each team and that it should have made us an attractive option for the HC/QB candidates out there.

Now because it doesn't fit your narrative (your love of Shedeur and him going to the Raiders), you're arguing that players shouldn't factor the division into their decision making.

You can't have it both ways.

And even then, this is just a bad take on your part saying all the Chargers/Broncos have is young QB's.  As they also have great HC's who have a proven track record of winning and winning championships.  While both will also be playoff teams this year as well.

Just because the Raiders have Bowers, doesn't mean the team is in any position to contend in that division any time soon.  Just having 6 of your games against those other teams is a huge hinderance in making the playoffs.

So if Deion and the family are sitting back and looking at what places would give him a better chance at long term success, it's not going to be the division with the best HC/QB combo situations in the NFL.  If Nix pans out (and it's looking like he should), that division is going to be BRUTAL for the next 10 years, they legit could have the best QB in the game, another Top 5 QB, and then wherever Nix ends up as.

Dude I like the Raiders the most because he has a future HOF TE who he can rely on. I don't care about his path and being in a tough division. This football bro only 1 team holds the trophy at the end. If you scared go to church!

 

Also my love for Shedeur? Wut are you talking about I only said he would be the #1 pick before the season and people thought I was crazy yet here we are. I been on the Hunter bandwagon. Shedeur is not really a great QB prospect, he's just the best in a weak class of QB's. I always said that.

 

Happy New Years bro, I hope you bring a new attitude into 2025. You and I need to stop this back n forth. We both good guys at heart. Be more kind in 2025 ok bud.

[Jaxel]

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Dude I like the Raiders the most because he has a future HOF TE who he can rely on. I don't care about his path and being in a tough division. This football bro only 1 team holds the trophy at the end. If you scared go to church!

 

Also my love for Shedeur? Wut are you talking about I only said he would be the #1 pick before the season and people thought I was crazy yet here we are. I been on the Hunter bandwagon. Shedeur is not really a great QB prospect, he's just the best in a weak class of QB's. I always said that.

 

Happy New Years bro, I hope you bring a new attitude into 2025. You and I need to stop this back n forth. We both good guys at heart. Be more kind in 2025 ok bud.

I can actually confirm that this is not a lie.