After opening drive TD, panthers went 3 and out 3 straight times

[countryboi]

I think its important to point out that Canales is also a rookie, being a head coach and play caller in the NFL is fuging hard

[CRA]

44 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Also meanwhile the Kenny Pickett lead Eagles just dropped 41 points on the Cowboys.   The same Cowboys that throttled us.  I don't want to hear crap about our 'close losses' to good teams anymore.  People can't crow about how we ALMOST beat the Eagles and Chiefs then ignore the blowouts we suffer while teams that crush us get floor wiped by backup QBs, a bad one at that in the case of Pickett.

Yeah, it’s the Drew Lock, Kenny Pickett, etc types that really leave you with doubt.  With enough attempts, most QBs give some really good games.  Bryce despite all his starts….his really good games are just decent game management.   He never really shows any indication of a high ceiling play if you catch him on a good day.  

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

It's almost like QB situations and surroundings matter 

but then you get the Drew Lock type games.  He isn’t in a great situation.  Weak team and they don’t even want to play him….

and even he can light it up on a random Sunday

[Aussie Tank]

Just now, CRA said:

but then you get the Drew Lock type games.  He isn’t in a great situation.  Weak team and they don’t even want to play him….

and even he can light it up on a random Sunday

His oline is ordinary his weapons are not pretty ideal situation for a rookie QB if they can sure up the oline and grab a RB 

[45catfan]

10 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

It’s easy for a backup to look good for a game or two when there’s no film on them running that particular offense. Or sometimes a good game just happens. I‘m sure we all remember the beginning of Kyle Allen and Matt Moore. Everyone in the NFL is capable for the most part, even backup QBs. The difference is there’s no way they can sustain it over the course of a season, which is why they’re backups. There was growth in those games we played and almost won. 

Actual growth or just not sucking?  There is a distinction.  Being better than awful I guess is growth.  I consider growth actually beating good teams once in a while and taking care of business of bad teams routinely.  Almost beating a good team and losing to bad teams save three (even then barely) still doesn't do it for me. At this growth rate we might have a winning season in 2027....maybe.

[45catfan]

17 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

It's almost like QB situations and surroundings matter 

Yup and ours is bad all the way around. 

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Actual growth or just not sucking?  There is a distinction.  Being better than awful I guess is growth.  I consider growth actually beating good teams once in a while and taking care of business of bad teams routinely.  Almost beating a good team and losing to bad teams save three (even then barely) still doesn't do it for me. At this growth rate we might have a winning season in 2027....maybe.

Bryce has 27 starts and counting….never hit 300 yards passing.   Never hit a 3 TD pass day.  

His pass production is like that of a running QBs minus all the ground production that compliments it. 

he just never has shown a glimpse of much at all.  We are now celebrating functional.  Hope he continues to improve as he will be the guy next year…..but you really have to keep the expectations down as he just doesn’t seem to have much of a ceiling at this level 

 

[BIGH2001]

11 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Actual growth or just not sucking?  There is a distinction.  Being better than awful I guess is growth.  I consider growth actually beating good teams once in a while and taking care of business of bad teams routinely.  Almost beating a good team and losing to bad teams save three (even then barely) still doesn't do it for me. At this growth rate we might have a winning season in 2027....maybe.

It remains to be seen. I’ve witnessed enough to at least be optimistic but we have to do something about the defense in the offseason. If that gets fixed I think we have a shot to at least contend in the division next year barring key injuries. 

[Navy_football]

20 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

It's almost like QB situations and surroundings matter 

They're so goofy with some of these takes. They don't realize what they're even saying. Eagles have Smith and AJ, not to mention the threat of Barkley (2000 yards on the season with another game to go). 

I didn't pay alot of attention to that game but I'm sure those guys bailed their QB out most of the game.

I did watch the Giants though. Lock's first TD was like a 40 yards screen to Nabers. His second was a 10 yards pass to Slayton and he broke it for like 40 yards. His third TD came after Nabers caught the same underthrown deep ball that some are saying was impossible for our 1st round receiver to come back and catch. That put them inside the 10 yard line for an easy throw to a wide open receiver. His 4th was a 5 yards pass to Nabers that he broke for like 50 up the side line. Meanwhile Carolina receivers going down where they catch the ball.

[countryboi]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bryce has 27 starts and counting….never hit 300 yards passing.   Never hit a 3 TD pass day.  

His pass production is like that of a running QBs minus all the ground production that compliments it. 

he just never has shown a glimpse of much at all.  We are now celebrating functional.  Hope he continues to improve as he will be the guy next year…..but you really have to keep the expectations down as he just doesn’t seem to have much of a ceiling at this level 

 

You just keep going on and on about Bryce as if he isn't going to be the QB for the foreseeable future. Aint no help walking in to the locker room. This is the dinner we have 

[BIGH2001]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

They're so goofy with some of these takes. They don't realize what they're even saying. Eagles have Smith and AJ, not to mention the threat of Barkley (2000 yards on the season with another game to go). 

I didn't pay alot of attention to that game but I'm sure those guys bailed their QB out most of the game.

I did watch the Giants though. Lock's first TD was like a 40 yards screen to Nabers. His second was a 10 yards pass to Slayton and he broke it for like 40 yards. His third TD came after Nabers caught the same underthrown deep ball that some are saying was impossible for our 1st round receiver to come back and catch. That put them inside the 10 yard line for an easy throw to a wide open receiver. His 4th was a 5 yards pass to Nabers that he broke for like 50 up the side line. Meanwhile Carolina receivers going down where they catch the ball.

Hell Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. So did Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson. And I would guess it had a lot more to do with the team surrounding them than it did all-world QB play. 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, countryboi said:

You just keep going on and on about Bryce as if he isn't going to be the QB for the foreseeable future. Aint no help walking in to the locker room. This is the dinner we have 

Literally in the post you quoted it states I hope he continues to improve as he will be the dude next year.  

I’m just saying he likely is close to hitting his head on the ceiling so might as well be realistic in how we talk going forward.  Going to need a lot of defense to make this team worth watching.  We need to go all in on D 

[countryboi]

Just now, CRA said:

Literally in the post you quoted it states I hope he continues to improve as he will be the dude next year.  

I’m just saying he likely is close to hitting his head on the ceiling so might as well be realistic in how we talk going forward.  Going to need a lot of defense to make this team worth watching.  We need to go all in on D 

Yeah, and I'm saying you complain week after week, and nothing is going to change. What do you want us to say?

I want Bryce to either fail or play great. which ever will make you stop.

[Jon Snow]

8 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

They're so goofy with some of these takes. They don't realize what they're even saying. Eagles have Smith and AJ, not to mention the threat of Barkley (2000 yards on the season with another game to go). 

I didn't pay alot of attention to that game but I'm sure those guys bailed their QB out most of the game.

I did watch the Giants though. Lock's first TD was like a 40 yards screen to Nabers. His second was a 10 yards pass to Slayton and he broke it for like 40 yards. His third TD came after Nabers caught the same underthrown deep ball that some are saying was impossible for our 1st round receiver to come back and catch. That put them inside the 10 yard line for an easy throw to a wide open receiver. His 4th was a 5 yards pass to Nabers that he broke for like 50 up the side line. Meanwhile Carolina receivers going down where they catch the ball.

I'm sure that if you put Young on the Eagles he could have produced the same results or better.