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Hot Take: This team will never get over the hump, until we move on from Bryce.

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, I conceded earlier this year he is the dude next year.  I'll root for him to keep improving.  But some of the hot takes on him just go too far not to come out against them.  

I'm not lobbying for a new QB.  I want a new D.   Well, I might be open to replacing Dalton with a slightly younger version.  

Those hot takes go both ways my friend. There are extreme exaggerations on both sides of the debate. 

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27 minutes ago, CRA said:

Folks essentially are forced into "knocking" Bryce Young because people just getting silly with it IMO.  Bryce has made improvement most of didn't see coming.  Bryce still isn't a very good QB.  

tbh this is the duality that is keeping the board active

One side believes that Bryce is getting too much credit, another believes that Bryce is getting too much hate, and then there's a side that just wants to know beyond a shadow of a doubt whether or not he's the guy.

The back and forth between the first two provides reading material for the latter's bathroom trips.

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10 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

The alternative is you understand Bryce isn't the future AND that this team isn't a QB away from contending anyways.

You trade Bryce for whatever the best offer is for him this offseason then go and sign someone like Jameis or Wentz this offseason to be the starter next year.  Both are going to end up costing your team wins, it's they're not starters anymore, but they both have big arms and aren't afraid to sling the rock.

It will help our young offensive weapons grow as they'll get tons of targets from all sorts of routes, but yes, they're likely to cause us to lose a lot of games, which is fine as it's a QB loaded draft next year, where we then draft a QB with our 1st rounder.

Fans won't like it next year while we're losing, but the reality of the situation is that it's the fastest way to get us back on the right track towards having a contending team again.  If we luck out and get the #1 pick and get Manning, then we could have a really bright future too.

What routes are they throwing Bryce isn’t rn? Develop leggette who’s already getting 8 targets a game he can’t do anything with? Or the UDFA possession receiver who runs a 4.6?

Bryce just threw a seam shot touchdown on the edge of the red zone then threw a 45 yard dime of a deep ball for a touchdown. And you’re still acting like he’s Teddy two gloves

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17 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

What routes are they throwing Bryce isn’t rn? Develop leggette who’s already getting 8 targets a game he can’t do anything with? Or the UDFA possession receiver who runs a 4.6?

Bryce just threw a seam shot touchdown on the edge of the red zone then threw a 45 yard dime of a deep ball for a touchdown. And you’re still acting like he’s Teddy two gloves

Yeah, but see....those random throws don't make him not Teddy two gloves.  Because Teddy two gloves had those random throws too that went against his norm. 

I think if Bryce turned into Teddy B the passer....we should be happy.  Not mad.  Because Bryce adds to that a better aspect with his slipperiness and legs. 

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8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, but see....those random throws don't make him not Teddy two gloves.  Because Teddy two gloves had those random throws too that went against his norm. 

I think if Bryce turned into Teddy B the passer....we should be happy.  Not mad.  Because Bryce adds to that a better aspect with his slipperiness and legs. 

We also threw Teddy in the trash after one season. Yet we are hoping this guy may one day reach his level.

Good comparison though. On a good day, Young looks like 2020 Teddy Bridgewater.

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4 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

We also threw Teddy in the trash after one season. Yet we are hoping this guy may one day reach his level.

Good comparison though. On a good day, Young looks like 2020 Teddy Bridgewater.

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we threw Teddy in the trash ONLY because was the first to pry the door open to the dysfunctional world of Matt Rhule.    Teddy allowed the O to function.  And pretty well. Tons of guys had career years that season.  Pretty good ball between the 20s.  Team just wasn't doing so many of the basics in practice to finish the job on the field.  Like actually working on the redzone and stuff like that.  

Matt Rhule didn't like the fact Teddy outed he was bad at his job.  Teddy got fired for that.  Not his play. 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

we threw Teddy in the trash ONLY because was the first to pry the door open to the dysfunctional world of Matt Rhule.    Teddy allowed the O to function.  And pretty well. Tons of guys had career years that season.  Pretty good ball between the 20s.  Team just wasn't doing so many of the basics in practice to finish the job on the field.  Like actually working on the redzone and stuff like that.  

Matt Rhule didn't like the fact Teddy outed he was bad at his job.  Teddy got fired for that.  Not his play. 

Okay so if Bryce=Teddy Bridgewater. 

Do we pick up his 5th year option and extend that for QB1 money?

Or do we take a few day 2 and day 3 picks and cut our losses?

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15 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

We also threw Teddy in the trash after one season. Yet we are hoping this guy may one day reach his level.

Good comparison though. On a good day, Young looks like 2020 Teddy Bridgewater.

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Or if you look beyond yard totals and completion % you’ll see Tedward could throw 41/49 passes under 8 yards downfield and get 300.

Those 3700 yards look a little different to you yet? 

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19 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Okay so if Bryce=Teddy Bridgewater. 

Do we pick up his 5th year option and extend that for QB1 money?

Or do we take a few day 2 and day 3 picks and cut our losses?

Depends.  I say you would have to start drafting a QB again.   Would the timeline say you need Bryce for another season to slow walk someone in? Maybe.  

everyone ultimately wants a special QB.  That’s football at this level. 

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    • CRA
      Hot Take: This team will never get over the hump, until we move on from Bryce.

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      The BIGGEST fail IMO was idiot Scott Fitterer's vision that Bryce Young was Cam Newton.  Which is the reality of it.  He sold it as a point guard but it's the same logic.  That Bryce Young would be able to mask inefficiencies and make everyone on O better.  In reality it's the polar opposite.  Bryce is more a Brock Purdy.  You give him weapons to distribute the ball to and then those weapons are the O.  But it's not Brock Purdy making them weapons.  They just are weapons.  And Brock gets them the ball.  It works off of the efficiency of Brock to just do a job.  I think Bryce Young will be whatever his weapons are.  We have below average weapons.  We have a below average O.  That's not true with all QBs.  Some QBs can and do raise the bar by being the QB. 
    • CRA
      Hot Take: This team will never get over the hump, until we move on from Bryce.

      By CRA · Posted

      I don't think they did nothing and didn't try.  I think KB was trying.  I just don't think he was good.  By the time they actually started pairing up Cam with some good talent his body was shot and the window closed.  CMC, Samuel, Moore, etc.  That's trying and it working. But Cam was done.  But I always thought the best think you could do for Cam Newton was give him a good D first and foremost.  They largely did it.  Cam was basically the PG mindset come to life.  Only he wasn't a point guard.  He was a one man playmaker and they took advantage of that, that he could make everyone around him better. 
    • Icege
      Hot Take: This team will never get over the hump, until we move on from Bryce.

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      I can understand an argument over the quality of the weapons when all was said and done but it's hard for me to agree with the idea that the team sat by and did nothing as we have seen expressed here a time or two. 2014 they spent a 1st round pick on a WR who had a successful rookie season. Nobody could have guessed that he'd tear his ACL in 2015 and then lose his mind in 2016. In 2015, they went and spent a 2nd rounder on a more athletic big bodied WR that just never really panned out. 2017 was when they picked up CMC + Curtis Samuel. 2016 is really the only season where there's a legitimate argument that nothing was done for Cam. The team went and had a draft where the only hit was Bradberry and then lost Oher to start the season. Between that and KB losing his mind, it was all downhill from there. 😞
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