PFF: grading WR by ability to separate, YAC and catching the ball

[TD alt]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, this is the same thing TMJ and Mingo guys said. Used to this non-fact based argument. 

YoU jUsT hAtE hIm!!!! 

Well as someone who actually WANTS the team to do well, how exactly does that help me?

Alright, point taken, it doesn't help. You have consistently made definitive statements that are decidedly negative however. 

Legette has really shown better route route running than TMJ or Mingo. He simply needs to work on his hands.

[kungfoodude]

13 hours ago, TD alt said:

Alright, point taken, it doesn't help. You have consistently made definitive statements that are decidedly negative however. 

Legette has really shown better route route running than TMJ or Mingo. He simply needs to work on his hands.

Yes, he is able to get open more consistently than those guys, without question. But it isn't just his hands, his body positioning and tracking on a lot of these flubbed balls is terrible. He is a deeply fundamentally flawed WR. Now, luckily these are things that CAN typically be improved on but the question is how much and is he able/willing to do so?

In our franchise experience, this is very rare. It's all on him. He has to put in the work and really want this.

I hope he does because it will be another long term hit to the roster through draft....once again.

[TD alt]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes, he is able to get open more consistently than those guys, without question. But it isn't just his hands, his body positioning and tracking on a lot of these flubbed balls is terrible. He is a deeply fundamentally flawed WR. Now, luckily these are things that CAN typically be improved on but the question is how much and is he able/willing to do so?

In our franchise experience, this is very rare. It's all on him. He has to put in the work and really want this.

I hope he does because it will be another long term hit to the roster through draft....once again.

I don't see it as a tracking issue, I see it as a hands issue and chemistry issue. He jumps for no reason at times even on shorter passes. Tracking was never an issue for Legette, and I don't believe that it is now. 

We'll see if your "deeply flawed" characterization of Legette---and it's not the first time that you've used the term---holds water through 2025. I say it's hands and chemistry. Work on those, and he'll be fine.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I don't see it as a tracking issue, I see it as a hands issue and chemistry issue. He jumps for no reason at times even on shorter passes. Tracking was never an issue for Legette, and I don't believe that it is now. 

We'll see if your "deeply flawed" characterization of Legette---and it's not the first time that you've used the term---holds water through 2025. I say it's hands and chemistry. Work on those, and he'll be fine.

I have consistently said it about him, 100%. 

The mis-timed jumps, turning the wrong way on a ball, drops, those are all issues with tracking(hand eye coordination). 

That is why I am concerned. It isn't things like, struggles to get off the line at this level or consistently can't get separation(he is actually slightly above average at this), it's the simplest things that he struggles with.

I will be quite happy if he locks in and gets that remedied but if you are a Panthers fan, you can understand skeptisicm about that given our WR drafting history both in the past decade and in franchise history. That skepticism is founded in some very deep and persistent organizational scars at that position in relation to the draft.

You are mistaking this as "fug THIS GUY." It's not that, it's.....

[TD alt]

12 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I have consistently said it about him, 100%. 

The mis-timed jumps, turning the wrong way on a ball, drops, those are all issues with tracking(hand eye coordination). 

That is why I am concerned. It isn't things like, struggles to get off the line at this level or consistently can't get separation(he is actually slightly above average at this), it's the simplest things that he struggles with.

I will be quite happy if he locks in and gets that remedied but if you are a Panthers fan, you can understand skeptisicm about that given our WR drafting history both in the past decade and in franchise history. That skepticism is founded in some very deep and persistent organizational scars at that position in relation to the draft.

You are mistaking this as "fug THIS GUY." It's not that, it's.....

No, I said you're right about "hating" him and being a Panthers fan. I also understand your skepticism. But as for me, I can't say just because it has been this way, means that it's going to continue being that way. There are different people at the helm making the decisions, and changes have been made in the scouting department, and not just on the pro side. We aren't a stagnant FO.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, TD alt said:

No, I said you're right about "hating" him and being a Panthers fan. I also understand your skepticism. But as for me, I can't say just because it has been this way, means that it's going to continue being that way. There are different people at the helm making the decisions, and changes have been made in the scouting department, and not just on the pro side. We aren't a stagnant FO.

I would take solace in that were we not so many FO iterations into this nonsense. 

Hey, all he(and the FO) can do is prove my skepticism wrong. Let's hope they do.

I am not one of these "fans" that come in here gloating when my negative opinions come true(which is far too often). I mention them because I am insanely frustrated that we laymen can all too often see some of the poo that these guys can't. It's infuriating.