PFF: grading WR by ability to separate, YAC and catching the ball

[R0CKnR0LLA]

8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I think people are really underestimating how bad XL has been. 

Offense looks better without him TBH.

[NAS]

14 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Thielen: top 15 ish % overall. @NAS not to call you out, just something we were discussing the other day. Thielen is having a fantastic year by rate

I always called out Thielen as the exception but he’s not someone you can target deep consistently due to lack of speed.  But overall WR corps is very subpar, Coker will do well once he gets more experience.  XL has been a disappointment to me, he started off promising but has regressed for whatever reason, could be his injury issue but concerned about his lack of ability to separate 

Edited yesterday at 02:05 PM by NAS

[Ghostofdelhomme]

All those guys below the bottom two lines are drop artists. Drop=0 catch point & 0 YAC 

Diontae Dropson and Xavier Droppette

[kungfoodude]

11 hours ago, R0CKnR0LLA said:

Offense looks better without him TBH.

Hence why I said he is better suited to being a backup/4th guy. Let him attempt to develop in that role. He is a driver killer extraordinaire in a 1-3 role.

[uncfan888]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Hence why I said he is better suited to being a backup/4th guy. Let him attempt to develop in that role. He is a driver killer extraordinaire in a 1-3 role.

I hope he works on his hands in the off season. He's looking like a wasted pick when we could have had ladd. I'll just pretend coker was the first pick and legette was undrafted... That makes it easier to stomach 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I hope he works on his hands in the off season. He's looking like a wasted pick when we could have had ladd. I'll just pretend coker was the first pick and legette was undrafted... That makes it easier to stomach 

Yeah, I was REALLY not a fan of this draft outside of Sanders and very unfortunately my initial reaction has been accurate.

Quite a few Huddlers were bullish on the Coker signing but I never put much stock in any UDFA. Potentially huge pickup for us there.

I just hope we show a lot more competence in the next draft so we can shake the stink off of the rest of the Tepper era draft picks.

[carolinanimal]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I was REALLY not a fan of this draft outside of Sanders and very unfortunately my initial reaction has been accurate.

Quite a few Huddlers were bullish on the Coker signing but I never put much stock in any UDFA. Potentially huge pickup for us there.

I just hope we show a lot more competence in the next draft so we can shake the stink off of the rest of the Tepper era draft picks.

Let's give him next year before we call him a bust...even out middle school sized QB is getting that.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, carolinanimal said:

Let's give him next year before we call him a bust...even out middle school sized QB is getting that.

I am not calling any of them a bust yet. I am just saying it looks a lot like 4th-7th round guys that we took.

Being so insanely fundamentally flawed(XL) is really a pretty bad start. Especially for a guy that was in college for 5 years.

[outlaw4]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not calling any of them a bust yet. I am just saying it looks a lot like 4th-7th round guys that we took.

Being so insanely fundamentally flawed(XL) is really a pretty bad start. Especially for a guy that was in college for 5 years.

XL basically only had one full season of actual production his final year. I see him as a raw guy compared to someone like Coker who at least got a ton more playing time. You could argue we should've gone with a guy who had more college playing experience, although it's not as often you see rookie receivers go off anyways unless they are in the ideal QB/system situation. The drops are concerning but the fact he's been in position to make big plays I'd say is far better results than guys like TMJ/Mingo have ever done. Also, all these rookies got a lot of playing time this year, so hopefully that will get them all to take a bigger step their second year.

[Shocker]

XL was raw coming into the league and was the seventh WR taken for a reason.  They wanted some size/speed with the pick so they moved off McConkey and Coleman.  He needs time to develop and works best as a #3 IMO

[TD alt]

22 hours ago, NAS said:

I always called out Thielen as the exception but he’s not someone you can target deep consistently due to lack of speed.  But overall WR corps is very subpar, Coker will do well once he gets more experience.  XL has been a disappointment to me, he started off promising but has regressed for whatever reason, could be his injury issue but concerned about his lack of ability to separate 

According to this graph, he is separating fine, it's high-pointing and catching the ball which seems to be the issue.

[NAS]

9 minutes ago, TD alt said:

According to this graph, he is separating fine, it's high-pointing and catching the ball which seems to be the issue.

Ok that’s fixable I hope

[electro's horse]

Catching with your hands is like rebounding well: if it’s something you don’t do in college you generally don’t become a good one 

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

Catching with your hands is like rebounding well: if it’s something you don’t do in college you generally don’t become a good one 

Not naturally. No. But I feel like you can improve your hands with practice. I think tracking the ball is one of those things you either have or don't. That's when they just become DBs.