Bryce Young PFF - Week 16

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

He's inconsistent, let's be honest.  Juxtapose this and the Dallas game.  Can't be objective and cherry pick.  He's been on an upward trajectory, but from where he started the season, that's about the only way he had to go besides staying benched and eventually being cut.

I get the enthusiasm, I simply don't think this is a sustainable winning formula.

I agree--as the OL goes, he goes--but if he trends north, that is a good thing. We bought the stock at its highest possible price--it crashed--and now it is eeking back up--but nowhere near the price we paid--I look at Bryce as 1/3 of the equation--never an all or nothing proposal.

We are like Alaskans seeing the sunlight for the first time in months.  Bryce has some value and is improving--that is good.  However, this is not about Bryce--it is about getting a QB under center who can win a super bowl.  Bryce has a shot to win the job next year and I feel much better now than I did in September, but decisions based on emotion bring pink slips.  Draft a qb with good skills in the middle rounds this year, and if we do not have a consistent, winning qb by the end of the 2025 season, we go back into round 1 and get one.

Edited 12 hours ago by MHS831

[KSpan]

Just now, MHS831 said:

I think some think pro bowler to fufure hall of famer, Consistent winner--but that is pretty rare--Cam was neither, but most Huddlers would take him back in a minute if in his prime.  I mean, some would consider Murray with the Cardinals a franchise qb based on his contract--

Cam was ahead of his time, if not a trailblazer for this generation of QBs. If he came out today in this climate the discussion around him and recognition of his performance would be entirely different, and I bet he would absolutely be a Pro Bowler with the old guard retiring. 

[BullCityP]

1 minute ago, KSpan said:

Which has absolutely zero bearing whatsoever on MHJ's performance and the reality of his lack of effectiveness being force-fed targets vs claims he is some kind of superior weapon this year.

My point is he is better than ANY WR we have on our roster which is the point I was making. Bryce has an uphill battle every time he steps on the field, get that man some talent and see what happens 

[KSpan]

2 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

My point is he is better than ANY WR we have on our roster which is the point I was making. Bryce has an uphill battle every time he steps on the field, get that man some talent and see what happens 

Maybe in the long term but in the reality of this season? He doesn't really seem to be.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

I'm not sure why people care so much about what we traded for him. Past is the past. Only question to me is if he can be that QB that gets us back into the playoffs and further. I'm not sure he is, but he's played well enough he'll keep getting a chance to prove that.

Because it crippled the franchise.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, BIGH2001 said:

But the Chiefs are vastly different than the Bills in the realm of franchise QBs. All im saying is there are different ways to win a game. Mahomes makes plays when he has to and does it very consistently which is why they are a championship team, but he’ll never be considered a gunslinger with a huge arm like Josh Allen or Cam. I’m not comparing Bryce to Mahomes but you can win consistently with a QB that doesn’t have elite arm talent provided you have a coach who can create a good gameplan, enough guys to make plays in clutch moments, and a QB who almost always makes the right decisions under pressure. 

You're kidding, right?

[Joe Bear]

10 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Are you serious?

I am. He can't catch.

History to this point favors my opinion, and it will continue to favor it in the future.

[Joe Bear]

6 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Because it crippled the franchise.

Good point. All those Super Bowl seasons in 2018-22 really came and went.

[TD alt]

13 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Tell us you don't watch much Chiefs football without saying you don't watch much Chiefs football...

I live in KC and have watched a lot of their season. Their offense has been very middling much of the year and is coming around right when the defense has started flagging. They still haven't scored more than 30 in a game. They are winning, yes, and that is what good team do, but man is it ugly.

How can I NOT watch Chiefs football? Come on, man. That's what you're supposed to do, be on top on the scoreboard in the end. Just because they're doing just enough doesn't really mean anything. Hate Andy for having an astute understanding of clock management and a knowing that his QB is simply going to pull it out when he gets the ball last and the game is on the line. 

I wholeheartedly agree that it's been uglier this year, with Pat throwing all the picks and such, but, if you think about it objectively, at the end of the day the Chiefs are doing what they've been doing for years (particularly in the playoffs). 

You don't go 14-1 by accident and not playing good football. You just don't. And, I saw them yesterday. For me, they're making perceptible and incremental improvements at exactly the right time. I don't know whether they beat Pittsburgh (who needs to win, if nothing else but for morale), but I still wouldn't actually bet against the Chiefs come playoff time. 

As an aside, if Rashee pulls off the miracle and comes back for the semifinals or a championship, that's the wrap!

[Icege]

[45catfan]

7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I agree--as the OL goes, he goes--but if he trends north, that is a good thing. We bought the stock at its highest possible price--it crashed--and now it is eeking back up--but nowhere near the price we paid--I look at Bryce as 1/3 of the equation--never an all or nothing proposal.

We are like Alaskans seeing the sunlight for the first time in months.  Bryce has some value and is improving--that is good.  However, this is not about Bryce--it is about getting a QB under center who can win a super bowl.  Bryce has a shot to win the job next year and I feel much better now than I did in September, but decisions based on emotion bring pink slips.  Draft a qb with good skills in the middle rounds this year, and if we do not have a consistent, winning qb by the end of the 2025 season, we go back into round 1 and get one.

^^^This. THANK YOU!!!! Nobody here (99.9%) hates Bryce or wishes the kid any ill will.  The ultimate objective of finding the right dude to be the franchise QB is to bring home a Super Bowl.  Some of us simply think Bryce isn't THAT guy.  Is he playing better? Absolutely.  Can he help the team to some wins? Sure.  Is he the Panthers version of Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen?  In my humble opinion, no, no he is not nor will he be.  So if I am right (I could be wrong) what is our long term objective?

[Crixtala]

1 hour ago, Seltzer said:

I have never seen so many people who know absolutely nothing about football and high level QB play speak with such assured confidence while spewing absolute nonsense.

I'm thankful as a PSL owner most fans who actually care enough to show up to BOA aren't that stupid (probably couldn't afford tickets otherwise) along with actual football people. 

I try to think the best of people, but some of these threads have the intellectual discourse level of baboons flinging feces...

Bryce is playing franchise QB level ball, and has been for weeks against playoff teams.

Most of these haters are incels who will never admit being wrong about anything. If I never got laid I might harbor irrational hatred towards others also.

But Jesus Christ what a miserable effing way to live... and we as a society have legitimized these people and encouraged them to be the loudest and dumbest versions of themselves...

I'm thankful some of the people on this board still have triple digit IQs this holiday season

this condescension ain't it either

some would probably argue owning a panthers psl likely shows low financial IQ

[Growl]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

I'm not sure why people care so much about what we traded for him. Past is the past. Only question to me is if he can be that QB that gets us back into the playoffs and further. I'm not sure he is, but he's played well enough he'll keep getting a chance to prove that.

yeah fixating on the trade is a fan thing. Can he develop into a QB that gives you a decent playoff window? is the  only question being asked by people at the stadium.

[KSpan]

4 minutes ago, TD alt said:

How can I NOT watch Chiefs football? Come on, man. That's what you're supposed to do, be on top on the scoreboard in the end. Just because they're doing just enough doesn't really mean anything. Hate Andy for having an astute understanding of clock management and a knowing that his QB is simply going to pull it out when he gets the ball last and the game is on the line. 

I wholeheartedly agree that it's been uglier this year, with Pat throwing all the picks and such, but, if you think about it objectively, at the end of the day the Chiefs are doing what they've been doing for years (particularly in the playoffs). 

You don't go 14-1 by accident and not playing good football. You just don't. And, I saw them yesterday. For me, they're making perceptible and incremental improvements at exactly the right time. I don't know whether they beat Pittsburgh (who needs to win, if nothing else but for morale), but I still wouldn't actually bet against the Chiefs come playoff time. 

As an aside, if Rashee pulls off the miracle and comes back for the semifinals or a championship, that's the wrap!

My point is that they are 14-1, yes, but doing it in a totally odds-defying manner. That is a 10-5 team that has had some incredible breaks and bounces along with their talent and coaching in getting to 14-1, even moreso than the usual bounces that all successful teams get in a given season. I'm not saying they're a complete fluke because they aren't, but they are the 14-1 equivalent of the 2018 6-2 Panthers - the record is built on sand. The difference between them and that Panthers team is they are shoring back up when Carolina ended up faltering.