Bryce Young PFF - Week 16

[Seltzer]

1 hour ago, Tr3ach said:

He literally had 4 big time throws.  That is a really high number in a game no matter who the qb is.  That goes against your whole argument.  That's high no matter who the qb is and he has had the most in the NFL in a handful of weeks since he came back, and 4 this week could very well be the highest or at least close i would bet.

I have never seen so many people who know absolutely nothing about football and high level QB play speak with such assured confidence while spewing absolute nonsense.

I'm thankful as a PSL owner most fans who actually care enough to show up to BOA aren't that stupid (probably couldn't afford tickets otherwise) along with actual football people. 

I try to think the best of people, but some of these threads have the intellectual discourse level of baboons flinging feces...

Bryce is playing franchise QB level ball, and has been for weeks against playoff teams.

Most of these haters are incels who will never admit being wrong about anything. If I never got laid I might harbor irrational hatred towards others also.

But Jesus Christ what a miserable effing way to live... and we as a society have legitimized these people and encouraged them to be the loudest and dumbest versions of themselves...

I'm thankful some of the people on this board still have triple digit IQs this holiday season

[CRA]

8 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

Yes we are near the bottom of the league in average yards per completion with 9.8. The Broncos are at 9.9. Guess who is also at 9.9? The Chiefs. 

stats sort of tell partial truths though.  I mean, two RBs could average 5 yards a carry.  That alone doesn't mean they have run similar. Could be vastly different in terms of how they got to that.  Those 3 offenses are vastly different on the year and what they ask of the QB. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

I sometimes think, what if Bryce had played the way he has since returning to the lineup, but did it last year as a rookie? The narrative would likely be completely different than it has been with far fewer doubters.

I feel like some people are holding his past bad performances against him, which on some level is fair, but when there's such a stark and obvious dividing line between then and now (pre/post-benching) it seems obvious there has been real growth and improvement.

Forget last year. Forget weeks 1 and 2. Just evaluate him based on how he's playing NOW.

[CarolinaLivin]

2 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

I have never seen so many people who know absolutely nothing about football and high level QB play speak with such assured confidence while spewing absolute nonsense.

I'm thankful as a PSL owner most fans who actually care enough to show up to BOA aren't that stupid (probably couldn't afford tickets otherwise) along with actual football people. 

I try to think the best of people, but some of these threads have the intellectual discourse level of baboons flinging feces...

Bryce is playing franchise QB level ball, and has been for weeks against playoff teams.

Most of these haters are incels who will never admit being wrong about anything. If I never got laid I might harbor irrational hatred towards others also.

But Jesus Christ what a miserable effing way to live... and we as a society have legitimized these people and encouraged them to be the loudest and dumbest versions of themselves...

I'm thankful some of the people on this board still have triple digit IQs this holiday season

I mean you are on a message board. Maybe your expectations are too high? Expecting ESPN analyst level conversations/threads from here is on you. Come here voice your opinion, converse with others having the same or differing opinion, and laugh at the one's you deem as crazy. No need to go crazy because the entire fanbase doesn't think how you do or don't have intelligent takes.

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Bryce is playing franchise QB level ball, and has been for weeks against playoff teams.

Guess it really comes down to the various differences in the meaning of what is and isn't franchise level QB play.  I mean, most people IMO in these talks have different bars of what is and isn't franchise level QB play.   Normally it's 2 people with different bars. 

I mean, I don't think there are many actual franchise QBs.  And Bryce certainly in this 8 game stretch hasn't played like the guys I call franchise QBs.  He is playing like a serviceable starter in this 8 game stretch.   

[BIGH2001]

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

stats sort of tell partial truths though.  I mean, two RBs could average 5 yards a carry.  That alone doesn't mean they have run similar. Could be vastly different in terms of how they got to that.  Those 3 offenses are vastly different on the year and what they ask of the QB. 

But the Chiefs are vastly different than the Bills in the realm of franchise QBs. All im saying is there are different ways to win a game. Mahomes makes plays when he has to and does it very consistently which is why they are a championship team, but he’ll never be considered a gunslinger with a huge arm like Josh Allen or Cam. I’m not comparing Bryce to Mahomes but you can win consistently with a QB that doesn’t have elite arm talent provided you have a coach who can create a good gameplan, enough guys to make plays in clutch moments, and a QB who almost always makes the right decisions under pressure. 

Edited 9 hours ago by BIGH2001

[CarolinaLivin]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Guess it really comes down to the various differences in the meaning of what is and isn't franchise level QB play.  I mean, most people IMO in these talks have different bars of what is and isn't franchise level QB play.   Normally it's 2 people with different bars. 

I mean, I don't think there are many actual franchise QBs.  And Bryce certainly in this 8 game stretch hasn't played like the guys I call franchise QBs.  He is a serviceable starter tier in this 8 game stretch. 

My friend google defines it as...

A franchise quarterback can be loosely defined as a player that a team can build their franchise and scheme around, rather than one that simply slots into a game manager role. To win in today's passing-oriented NFL, it's (almost) always necessary to have one of these guys leading your offense.

[mav1234]

2 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

But the Chiefs are different than the Bills. All im saying is there are different ways to win a game. Mahomes makes plays when he has to and does it very consistently which is why they win games, but he’ll never be considered a gunslinger with a huge arm like Josh Allen or Cam. I’m not comparing Bryce to Mahomes but you can win consistently with a QB that doesn’t have elite arm talent provided you have a coach who can create a good gameplan, enough guys to make plays in clutch moments, and a QB who almost always makes the right decisions under pressure. 

Are you saying Mahomes has questionable arm strength?  Because that's nuts. Saying he doesn't have Allen's arm strength may be technically true but you're still talking about one of the strongest armed guys in the NFL. The idea he doesn't have elite arm talent is wildly inaccurate.

[BullCityP]

28 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, the reality is Hubbard stayed on the field and Connor went down in the 3rd.  That's why the Panthers won. 

The whole this QB outplayed that QB simply because one team won just isn't always the statement some make it to be.  So many factors out there for each.   College football playoff this weekend, the by far best QB performance of the weekend was a losing QB.   He wasn't outplayed by the other QB.  The other team was simply better than his team. 

 

So you're going to ignore the fact that the Cardinals have the better defense and outside weapons and just bring up Conner going down?? Oh ok lol the fact is Bryce has been going toe to toe with these guys with FAR superior talent (Chiefs Eagles Bucs Cardinals) but he doesn't get props for it for some reason like he's supposed to be dominating these guys with less talent it's weird 

[KSpan]

39 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

He led a game tying drive vs the Chiefs. The defense failed to get a stop. 

I couldn't watch that game specifically and my take is more in general of course - any team can beat any other on any given Sunday in the NFL. The Chiefs are not juggernauts this year by any means and I'd be shocked if they go too deep in the playoffs, but that is kind of my point; Carolina kicked 4 field goals of 33 yards or less that day. Gotta have TDs against the best to win and even 1 TD instead of a field goal wins that game.

Is that all on Bryce? No, and no game comes down to a single play (e.g. the Eagles drop, Chuba's OT fumble, etc). My point is that I'm not seeing anything yet that projects him above that Bridgewater/Smith level and these game outcomes are exactly in line with that performance trajectory. 

Edited 9 hours ago by KSpan

[mav1234]

Just now, BullCityP said:

So you're going to ignore the fact that the Cardinals have the better defense and outside weapons and just bring up Conner going down?? Oh ok lol the fact is Bryce has been going toe to toe with these guys with FAR superior talent (Chiefs Eagles Bucs Cardinals) but he doesn't get props for it for some reason like he's supposed to be dominating these guys with less talent it's weird 

We aren't ignoring it. We also aren't ignoring the Dallas game, the start of this year, or all of last last year. He won himself a spot on the roster next year and being the presumptive QB1 going into camp. That counts for a lot given where he was.

[Icege]

7 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

I mean you are on a message board. Maybe your expectations are too high? Expecting ESPN analyst level conversations/threads from here is on you. Come here voice your opinion, converse with others having the same or differing opinion, and laugh at the one's you deem as crazy. No need to go crazy because the entire fanbase doesn't think how you do or don't have intelligent takes.

To be fair to @Seltzer, the quality of the content on the Huddle used to be much, much better. There were always bad faith hot takes, but there was also more than two or three people that know football which allowed for convos with substance.

Sucks because I learned a LOT of football from the Huddle 15+ years ago.

[KSpan]

9 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

But the Chiefs are vastly different than the Bills in the realm of franchise QBs. All im saying is there are different ways to win a game. Mahomes makes plays when he has to and does it very consistently which is why they are a championship team, but he’ll never be considered a gunslinger with a huge arm like Josh Allen or Cam. I’m not comparing Bryce to Mahomes but you can win consistently with a QB that doesn’t have elite arm talent provided you have a coach who can create a good gameplan, enough guys to make plays in clutch moments, and a QB who almost always makes the right decisions under pressure. 

That is one of the most absurd takes about Mahomes I've ever seen. Even excluding the 50-60 yard ropes he's thrown, 30 yards through the air while quite literally horizontal... "never be considered a gunslinger with a huge arm"

 

[BullCityP]

Just now, mav1234 said:

We aren't ignoring it. We also aren't ignoring the Dallas game, the start of this year, or all of last last year. He won himself a spot on the roster next year and being the presumptive QB1 going into camp. That counts for a lot given where he was.

You seem to be forgetting the talent he was working with last year lol. They showed the graphic of the weapons Bryce had last year and what they've done this year and it's PATHETIC!! I understand ya'll want Bryce to walk on water b4 ya'll give him props but atleast give him NFL caliber talent before you criticize him