So Kyler Murray gets praised as the best little QB...

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I can't take this serious if you legit think the Cardinals roster is just as bad as ours. I will let you believe that it's not worth debating. I'll just remind you we had the #1 pick in the draft for a reason.

That’s a different statement than the one made prior.  They have a better roster because that’s more than just the cast around the QB. 

Cardinals have a better roster than us.  Most teams do because our D roster is trash.  But we weren’t talking about that. 

any QB should be able to have this O middle of the pack-ish with our OL/Hubbard IMO.  I see no reason to downplay who good we are this year upfront.  We wrote the check to be 

[CamWhoaaCam]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Cards defense is better without a doubt. I think he was saying on offense they are similar. 

So they have a better defense.

We are similar on offense.

Doesn't that still make them a better overall roster?

 

I mean im trying to be kind, but you basically gave the Cards the edge because of the defense.

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

So they have a better defense.

We are similar on offense.

Doesn't that still make them a better overall roster?

 

I mean im trying to be kind, but you basically gave the Cards the edge because of the defense.

I don’t think anyone is arguing who was the better roster. I think the argument is who has a better offense around their QB. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

He has improved a lot. You think I switched my opinion because he's just playing decent? Look at the games he's keeping us in man. These aren't some chump teams these are teams that will be SB contenders Chiefs/Eagles hell the Cardinals were in the playoff hunt. We loss to a bad Dallas team ok that's fair. Since the benching this kid has been a totally different QB. Also this roster is bad we shouldn't be in these games, but yet here we are.

 

Why are people against rooting for this kid? I wasn't a believer, but if someone show you massive improvement then give them some love. This board fuels off hate and I don't get it.

Massive improvement from the worst rookie season in NFL history. His first 2 games this season made Jimmy Pickles look like an all pro. We've spent more than it cost to trade for Lamar Jackson to get 5 whole wins. 

I'm not rooting against BY. I don't think he's the answer at QB because he doesn't elevate other players. We've had to dump almost all resources for 2 years to surround him to be this. We have to spend on defense at some point and that means not everything can go to prop up BY. 

Not every 1st and 2nd round pick can go to the offense. Not all our cap space can go to keeping offensive linemen. 

This was a game of who wanted to lose it more, just like the Giants. We beat a team that played really bad today. So am I going to be excited about winning a game that has no value? Not one tiny bit. 4-11. Wow.

We haven't even made it to Matt Rhule level of competition yet. He got fired for doing better than this. 

 

[CamWhoaaCam]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

I don’t think anyone is arguing who was the better roster. I think the argument is who has a better offense around their QB. 

We have a better Oline they have better skill positions. Call it a toss up if you want. But football is played both sides and they have the clear edge on defense.

 

Ask Joe Burrow how tough it is to win without a defense...

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Massive improvement from the worst rookie season in NFL history. His first 2 games this season made Jimmy Pickles look like an all pro. We've spent more than it cost to trade for Lamar Jackson to get 5 whole wins. 

I'm not rooting against BY. I don't think he's the answer at QB because he doesn't elevate other players. We've had to dump almost all resources for 2 years to surround him to be this. We have to spend on defense at some point and that means not everything can go to prop up BY. 

Not every 1st and 2nd round pick can go to the offense. Not all our cap space can go to keeping offensive linemen. 

This was a game of who wanted to lose it more, just like the Giants. We beat a team that played really bad today. So am I going to be excited about winning a game that has no value? Not one tiny bit. 4-11. Wow.

We haven't even made it to Matt Rhule level of competition yet. He got fired for doing better than this. 

 

If he doesn't elevate players around him, how they hell are we competing with SB contending teams like Chiefs/Eagles?

 

You can say you don't hate Bryce, but when you make false statements like that then you just don't know what you're talking about. Give this kid a true #1 WR and not some aging Thielen. Lets see him with a real deal WR.

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We have a better Oline they have better skill positions. Call it a toss up if you want. But football is played both sides and they have the clear edge on defense.

 

Ask Joe Burrow how tough it is to win without a defense...

This thread is about the play of Kyler vs Bryce.  Not the Panthers vs Cardinals. 

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I have a couple friends that are Bears fans who were ecstatic when the team finally shipped Justin Fields out of town. Apparently there was an obnoxious chunk of their fan base that had become "Fields truthers" that would hype up every mediocre play, point fingers at anyone and anything to excuse his blatant failures and generally just be completely insufferable and annoying in their blind homerism. My friends were happy to be rid of Fields just so these truthers could go pester another teams fanbase for a change.

I didn't really understand it at the time, but now, man, I get it.

[CamWhoaaCam]

Just now, CRA said:

This thread is about the play of Kyler vs Bryce.  Not the Panthers vs Cardinals. 

And Bryce proved to be the better QB.

 

Are we in agreement?

[jfra78]

Cardinals beat themselves today.  There was plenty of opportunities for them to win that game

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

Cardinals beat themselves today.  There was plenty of opportunities for them to win that game

XL makes the diving catch we beat the Eagles.

Defense doesn't allow KC to get in FG range for the GW kick we possibly beat the Chiefs.

 

Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda!

 

The results are the results.

[PootieNunu]

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

This is the mindset of a Panthers fan in 2024. 

 

Josh Allen has no SB appearance, neither does Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow has no champuonship. These QB's you think are elite all have something in common as Bryce 0 championships.

 

Bless your little hateful heart. Hope the new year brings you positive vibes only.

Josh Allen has more playoff touchdowns than Bryce has in his career. It's not his fault they don't have a ring. 

Do us all a favor and don't mention our little guy with league mvp type guys. 

Flip flopping mofo 

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

And Bryce proved to be the better QB.

 

Are we in agreement?

I think the Panthers won.  Today doesn’t prove player A is better than player B. 

all things being equal for a billion dollars and I needed to insert a QB? I’m picking Kyler as of today. 

[ForJimmy]

11 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We have a better Oline they have better skill positions. Call it a toss up if you want. But football is played both sides and they have the clear edge on defense.

 

Ask Joe Burrow how tough it is to win without a defense...

I understand that but you are changing the subject a little. Bryce looked better than Kyler today but that defense isn’t really relevant in that comparison which is where the whole debate started.