All of Bryce’s weapons that left the team

[NAS]

12 minutes ago, Waldo said:

This is not a secret anymore and anyone still talking growth or next year is just clowning themselves. 

He showed growth and progression for 5 straight games prior to last week.  I think next few games will  be telling, but I'm not sure what his ceiling may be.   All I'm saying is he did some really good things, showed that he can play against the blitz, carry the team on game tying or potential game winning drives... the jury is still out.  I wish he would have had Tank Dell, Nico Collins, Hunter Henry, Malik Nabers and other young receivers to be fairly evaluated.  

I was out on Bryce after week 2 because he looked like he was ruined, no confidence, scared of the pressure, not keeping his eyes downfield.  Even in the loss last week he didn't seem to revert back to that mindset despite the turnovers.  I think he needs at least one more weapon in addition to Coker hopefully being the next Puka Nacua.  

[TD alt]

I agree with the coaching part. The Pats' offensive roster sucks. Only one TE worth keeping. The WRs leave a helluva lot to be desired, and the O-line is abysmal.

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3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I agree with the coaching part. The Pats' offensive roster sucks. Only one TE worth keeping. The WRs leave a helluva lot to be desired, and the O-line is abysmal.

Agreed, Drake Maye is an example where size, ability to run,  and having a strong arm allows you to overcome more obstacles just like Cam Newton.  Of all the QBs drafted this year, he has the most upside and I think will have the most success long term if the Pats can figure our their roster issues.

Edited 15 hours ago by NAS

[frankw]

22 minutes ago, NAS said:

Nobody disagrees with having competition 

Well I'm glad we can see eye to eye on that but it appears there are still other people not convinced.

I see the Bryce situation as this. First season the team around him was bad. He was also quite bad too. Second season we went the extra mile and then some via steep investment in free agency and the draft to attempt to solve this dilemma and to the detriment of the defensive roster in the meantime.

Now fast forward to 14 games into the season and we've spent a significant amount of discussion on both the defense that we put on the back burner for Bryce Young and the additions we brought in. Some of that is logical. But we have to circle back to where this all began. Bryce was billed as a franchise changing QB who would not need elite talent across the board. That cannot be stressed enough. So to me these discussions about his supporting cast or lack thereof eventually lead to me asking when does he begin elevating those around him instead of the other way around? That's what a first overall pick is supposed to do.

[Waldo]

8 minutes ago, NAS said:

He showed growth and progression for 5 straight games prior to last week.  I think next few games will  be telling, but I'm not sure what his ceiling may be.   All I'm saying is he did some really good things, showed that he can play against the blitz, carry the team on game tying or potential game winning drives... the jury is still out.  I wish he would have had Tank Dell, Nico Collins, Hunter Henry, Malik Nabers and other young receivers to be fairly evaluated.  

I was out on Bryce after week 2 because he looked like he was ruined, no confidence, scared of the pressure, not keeping his eyes downfield.  Even in the loss last week he didn't seem to revert back to that mindset despite the turnovers.  I think he needs at least one more weapon in addition to Coker hopefully being the next Puka Nacua.  

I was out on him before we ever picked him and I'm still right. He should be traded in the offseason and his 'improvement' as remedial as it is should help with that is the positive. He isn't it and the growth is going nowhere. He doesn't have it and there isn't a team in the league that's talented enough to make him look good.

Just because he isn't racing Russel for biggest bust ever doesn't change the fact of how bad he is and what his limited game he can play does to the offense. 2 years the opponents have played down to the Panthers and for 2 years that is a reason for false hope. And then games happen like on Sunday when a opponent shows up hurt and angry and shows the reality of the situation. It's a dead end.

 

[raleigh-panther]

59 minutes ago, NAS said:

Diontae Johnson

DJ Chark

Jonathan Mingo

Terrace Marshall 

Laviska Shenault

Ihmir Smith Marsette

Hayden Hurst

With Bryce they had combined for 

127 rec, 1317 yds, 5 TD

Combined stats after Bryce

 21 rec, 163 yds, 0 TD

But yeah Bryce is the problem for not being a good enough point guard.  

Poor Bryce

Life is just so unfair 

sick of this justification 

#1 picks  should be a bit more than a game manager and a ‘point guard’   Totally stupid take by the Panthers 

Dont fret, he will have $38 million to make up for all the injustices he has endured 

He, his family and agent, all were  also smart enough to fleece the Gm and owner of the Panthers 

Bill Parcells said it best when said about Young as the number 1 pick given his ohysical limitations in a big man’s game 

‘he better walk in water’   He doesnt

i want Josh Allen, not a point guard who cant see over the line and cant throw a 50 yard pass to the end zone 

michah parson showed clearly what Young is  that Cowboys  defense had ZERO fear of Young’s arm   We have seen that since he has been here   

 

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

Diontae Johnson

DJ Chark

Jonathan Mingo

Terrace Marshall 

Laviska Shenault

Ihmir Smith Marsette

Hayden Hurst

With Bryce they had combined for 

127 rec, 1317 yds, 5 TD

Combined stats after Bryce

 21 rec, 163 yds, 0 TD

But yeah Bryce is the problem for not being a good enough point guard.  

Good point.

[NAS]

9 minutes ago, frankw said:

So to me these discussions about his supporting cast or lack thereof eventually lead to me asking when does he begin elevating those around him instead of the other way around? That's what a first overall pick is supposed to do.

I guess last few games he did just that, elevated the players around him and made them competitive in close games which they should have won if not for mistakes of the defense or supporting cast. At some point you have to have starting level talent even if they're not all pro.  The future looks promising with Coker, JT, and maybe even XL but they're rookies.  Barring a significant upgrade being available to us in the draft or free agency, I'm willing to play it out another year.  This team is not a QB away anyway. 

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13 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

michah parson showed clearly what Young is  that Cowboys  defense had ZERO fear of Young’s arm   We have seen that since he has been here   

Maybe, or maybe they're also not scared of the receivers they're facing.  I don't know that we saw a bunch of receivers open downfield that Young is not able to hit. 

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[frankw]

5 minutes ago, NAS said:

I guess last few games he did just that, elevated the players around him and made them competitive in close games which they should have won if not for mistakes of the defense or supporting cast. At some point you have to have starting level talent even if they're not all pro.  The future looks promising with Coker, JT, and maybe even XL but they're rookies.  Barring a significant upgrade being available to us in the draft or free agency, I'm willing to play it out another year.  This team is not a QB away anyway. 

The issue is any progress Bryce Young has made over the course of his short career thus far has been one step forward two steps back.

At the end of the season we will have 28 starts between this season and last from which to evaluate him. And the above is to me the best you can say on his behalf when logically assessing that game tape.

Edited 14 hours ago by frankw

[NAS]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

The issue is any progress Bryce Young has made over the course of his short career thus far has been one step forward two steps back.

At the end of the season we have 28 starts from which to evaluate him. And the above is to me the best you can say on his behalf when logically assessing that game tape.

If we judge him on his performance since he got benched.

How is one bad game two steps back if he progressed for 5-6 weeks straight?   

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, NAS said:

If we judge him on his performance since he got benched.

How is one bad game two steps back if he progressed for 5-6 weeks straight?   

Again the thing you are continually missing is the context of where he was and how he was playing.  He was playing literally like the worst qb in the history of the nfl.  He got benched and then was playing yes better but its relative to where he was.   Yeah he made some nice throws  but there was far more blah in there then a franchise qb.  But keep making excuses as this is the second day in a row you have started a thread contorting things trying to defend him.  Its comical.

 

He is getting next year.  I think we all see that but it would be retarded for them not to create competition for the off season and training camp.  He is not owed the job outright

[ForJimmy]

52 minutes ago, NAS said:

No doubt, Drake Maye looks like the better prospect and I always thought he would project well to the NFL ever since I saw him 3 years ago at Carolina.  But he's also in a better situation both in terms of roster and coaching his first year.  

I’m not sure his roster is any better than Bryce’s was last year. NE is a pretty bad team. Coaching, sure he has more stability there. 

[Jaxel]

I'm interested to see what Bryce does the rest of the season. I think unless we are top 2 there isn't a QB to pick anyway. I could see us taking a flyer on Cousins next year with Bryce and maybe a 2nd or 3rd round guy. I like Ewers in the late second or Kyle McCord in the 4th or so. But I'm not sure the long term answer is on the team right now, and for that matter next year either. Which is a bummer. Bryce does have thr power in his hands over thr next 3 weeks give himself a chance though. We will see if he sinks or swims.