Guess the QB

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, NAS said:

You think Thielen is a YAC weapon or something? 

Just curious. No need to get hostile  

of course we’re not arguing about what we see, just the reason for it. 

im not sure what point you’re trying to make by saying the backup qb ran the same scheme and had similar rate stats.

He just Looked much more competent doing so. 

[mav1234]

32 minutes ago, NAS said:

Exhausting because it’s true.  Coker play is the exception. Take a look at the rankings, all passing leaders get much higher YAC per completion
 

Bryce has underachieved but you can’t say the scheme and weapons have been conducive to success. I don’t think any of these QBs do much better in same circumstances 
 

 

Sanders has more than half his yards as YAC. Most teams RBs have great YAC, and Chuba is no exception. So we have 3 players with excellent YAC overall. Bryce throwing within 5 yards of the los or throwing rainbows 15 yards makes YAC impossible, and Thielen is his main target and half this board could run him down.  So, is it really our receivers?

Please note that YAC is also related to the type of offense. Burrow is ripping it and he's got a mid to low YAC.

 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

Tbf, Young started 9 games this year, not 11, and only has 54 yards total in the other 2 (Allen had like 250 in his non start in 2019). So, ya know, it's only a 1580 yard difference in four games . 

I just don't get why we can't acknowledge that regardless of extenuating circumstances our first overall pick has been largely backup level. And even that's being rather kind.

Last year the OL was the biggest issue and this year after investing an exorbitant amount of money in the interior OL we are near bottom of the league in sacks given up. Regardless of the WR situation we should not be 29 out of 32 in passing yards per game. We are also on coaching staff #2. Now nearing the end of his second season you have to look at the common thread at the center of it all. That's Bryce Young.

Edited 1 hour ago by frankw

[electro's horse]

At the end of the day this would be an interesting argument if Bryce wasn’t also at or near the bottom of the league in almost every other stat you can find.

[mav1234]

33 minutes ago, frankw said:

I just don't get why we can't acknowledge that regardless of extenuating circumstances our first overall pick has been largely backup level. And even that's being rather kind.

Last year the OL was the biggest issue and this year after investing an exorbitant amount of money in the interior OL we are near bottom of the league in sacks given up. Regardless of the WR situation we should not be 29 out of 32 in passing yards per game. We are also on coaching staff #2. Now nearing the end of his second season you have to look at the common thread at the center of it all. That's Bryce Young.

Yeah it is being kind, lol, at least if we consider his full career to date. But I think "backup level" is a realistic expectation for him now.

I'd love for nothing more than for Bryce Young to light it up the next 3 weeks and give us all something to hope for come 2025, even if that means hurting our draft position a little. Even still, we can't afford to spend another offseason exclusively propping him up. Invest in defense. Bring in QB competition.

[frankw]

54 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Yeah it is being kind, lol, at least if we consider his full career to date. But I think "backup level" is a realistic expectation for him now.

I'd love for nothing more than for Bryce Young to light it up the next 3 weeks and give us all something to hope for come 2025, even if that means hurting our draft position a little. Even still, we can't afford to spend another offseason exclusively propping him up. Invest in defense. Bring in QB competition.

I hear you brother. But I am now past the point of wanting to see that this season. We're dead in the water. We're not winning anything for the culture going forward from here on out in the remaining games. We have so many needs. I'm not saying tank or any nonsense like that. I'm just saying it doesn't matter one iota anymore what he looks like when there's nothing left to play for anyways. Let the young guys get their reps these last few weeks and head into the offseason with a lengthy list of issues to address. Beginning with the QB room.

[GoobyPls]

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