Dave Tepper gives Canales and Dan Morgan vote of confidence

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Tepper has fuged us so much. I wonder if we'll ever know definitively what power he exerted. It seems he's finally letting Canales and Morgan alone, so I'm really hopeful.

The one heartening thing to me is we finally did the smart thing this last offseason and invested a ton in our OL. The problem is that left the D neglected... But I think this offseason can do a lot. I'm not as down on our offseason as others - our draft looks much worse because our 2nd round pick was a dud, but free agency wasn't bad, and we finally have young offensive weapons to have some excitement about. The 2 later round drafted D players both had some nicer games late this season - which is about what you can ask for.

There are things to be positive about going forward. I know people have been down on Canales playcalling and probably he does need to hand over the reigns to his OC and take more of a overseeing approach next season given this was all a first time head coach learning experience for him. But he has shown IMO to be the coach for the future we hoped he would all things considered. Like you said we have the OL in place we just need to add a talent infusion to the defense and probably another offensive weapon and this team should be ready to compete. The final piece is adding another young QB to duke it out with Bryce. And I just hope to hell Canales sees it the same way and is able to pinpoint the guy he wants with support from Morgan.

[electro's horse]

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

There are things to be positive about going forward. I know people have been down on Canales playcalling and probably he does need to hand over the reigns to his OC and take more of a overseeing approach next season given this was all a first time head coach learning experience for him. But he has shown IMO to be the coach for the future we hoped he would all things considered..

The panthers have the worst scoring differential in the league, 28th in points per game. He’s shown absolutely nothing to indicate he’s the coach of anything. If you were basing it off this year alone he’d be fired. The product on the field is worse than reich and the worst parts of Rhule. 

Canales offensive coordinator is a random jabroni who’s just followed him around since Seattle and has a uh, unique, relationship with the coach. 

[Waldo]

DM, DC and BY are all massive bust here but as long as Tepper is running the team like he does this is what Panther football looks like, empty hope and unwatchable football. 

The only thing Tepper is building is a team that will be eternally picking in the top 10 with zero hope of watching good football in Panther jerseys. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Vote of confidence is basically

https://youtu.be/_EVUPCJwQwA?si=majO9WxUFsQ4ufo-

Surprised this is the only post with this take.  This is like the Rhule kiss of death lol.

[frankw]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

The panthers have the worst scoring differential in the league, 28th in points per game. He’s shown absolutely nothing to indicate he’s the coach of anything. If you were basing it off this year alone he’d be fired. The product on the field is worse than reich and the worst parts of Rhule. 

Canales offensive coordinator is a random jabroni who’s just followed him around since Seattle and has a uh, unique, relationship with the coach. 

Both Reich and Canales were saddled with trying to build and establish a viable scoring offense around Bryce Young. The best the offense looked this season and last season was with Andy Dalton who is also terrible but still better than Bryce Young. Which should be all anyone needs to know but still somehow there are weirdos here salivating over a ceiling of maybe on a really good day the 25th best QB in the league.

We've already canned one entire staff over our first overall pick. You can fire everyone again to satisfy your need for vengeance and quickly come to the realization that your next hire will absolutely unequivocally be a downgrade yes man or you can blow up this QB room and then assess. If no progress next season then you can make changes and justifiably so.

[electro's horse]

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

Both Reich and Canales were saddled with trying to build and establish a viable scoring offense around Bryce Young. The best the offense looked this season and last season was with Andy Dalton who is also terrible but still better than Bryce Young. Which should be all anyone needs to know but still somehow there are weirdos here salivating over a ceiling of maybe on a really good day the 25th best QB in the league.

We've already canned one entire staff over our first overall pick. You can fire everyone again to satisfy your need for vengeance and quickly come to the realization that your next hire will absolutely unequivocally be a downgrade yes man or you can blow up this QB room and then assess. If no progress next season then you can make changes and justifiably so.

Canales was brought in to fix Bryce. That was how he sold himself. He failed. 

the panthers need a new qb, someone to coach him, and someone to build a defensive staff. 

Canales has failed at developing a new qb. His big draft project XL is trending towards bust. His entire nfl resume before the panthers was one season as offensive coordinator on a stacked Bucs team, and being on the offensive staff when a 31 year old Geno smith finally put it all together. And he didn’t even pick his defensive coordinator in Carolina. Assuming evero is gone, who’s he got in that phone to call? What low lvl porn addict evangelical from the bucs is ready to be Peter principled? Or am I supposed to believe the guy who’s failed spectacularly at the one thing he was brought in to do is actually going to nail that defensive coordinator pick?

There is nothing in his coaching history or his current performance that indicates he’s the person to move this team forward. Every other team knew this last cycle (panthers were only interview) and nothing has happened to change that perception  

all people like you have is “well you can’t do it again it’s too soon but <random interval of time> will be different. 

just pull off the bandage. There’s no reason to let this guy draft “his guy” except people wanting an excuse not to fire him after 2025. 

Edited 2 hours ago by electro's horse

[mav1234]

Just now, electro&#x27;s horse said:

Canales was brought in to fix Bryce. That was how he sold himself. He failed. 

the panthers need a new qb, someone to coach him, and someone to build a defensive staff. 

Canales has failed at developing a new qb. His big draft project XL is trending towards bust. His entire nfl resume before the panthers was one season as offensive coordinator on a stacked Bucs team, and being on the offensive staff when a 31 year old Geno smith finally put it all together. And he didn’t even pick his offensive coordinator. Assuming evero is gone, who’s he got in that phone to call? What low lvl porn addict evangelical from the bucs is ready to be Peter principled?

There is nothing in his coaching history or his current performance that indicates he’s the person to move this team forward. Every other team knew this last cycle (panthers were only interview) and nothing has happened to change that perception  

all people like you have is “well you can’t do it again it’s too soon but <random interval of time> will be different. 

just pull off the bandage. There’s no reason to let this guy draft “his guy” except people wanting an excuse not to fire him after 2025. 

There's some big assumptions in here - first, I think Canales HAS helped Bryce a poo ton. To pretend he hasn't is asinine. Has he fixed him?  I mean, the dude looks like he could perhaps be a backup or low-end starter now, whereas he looked like he didn't belong in the NFL a year ago. You're talking about a coach that brought one of the worst NFL QBs of all time to a point where he may actually be a low-end starter. That IS impressive.

Second, the bolded. Come on - given the offense, the dude is far from "trending towards bust." He definitely needs work but he's shown an impressive ability to get open. He's contributing to an anemic offense. The dude is our leading receiver (though he'll be #2 in yardage by end of season by a little, as Thielen does better per game). 

As to his coaching, he had this team competing and believing against 3 of the better teams in the NFL, despite the lack of talent, and despite our QB situation.  Yes, things fell apart vs DAL, and he was outcoached. But that will happen with young coaches IMO.  I don't think it indicates he cant' be better.

The idea of "pulling off the bandage" is ridiculous. Who would want to coach here if we fired this guy after one season? 

[electro's horse]

8 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

There's some big assumptions in here - first, I think Canales HAS helped Bryce a poo ton. To pretend he hasn't is asinine. Has he fixed him?  I mean, the dude looks like he could perhaps be a backup or low-end starter now, whereas he looked like he didn't belong in the NFL a year ago. You're talking about a coach that brought one of the worst NFL QBs of all time to a point where he may actually be a low-end starter. That IS impressive.

Second, the bolded. Come on - given the offense, the dude is far from "trending towards bust." He definitely needs work but he's shown an impressive ability to get open. He's contributing to an anemic offense. The dude is our leading receiver (though he'll be #2 in yardage by end of season by a little, as Thielen does better per game). 

As to his coaching, he had this team competing and believing against 3 of the better teams in the NFL, despite the lack of talent, and despite our QB situation.  Yes, things fell apart vs DAL, and he was outcoached. But that will happen with young coaches IMO.  I don't think it indicates he cant' be better.

The idea of "pulling off the bandage" is ridiculous. Who would want to coach here if we fired this guy after one season? 

If Canales has helped Bryce a “poo ton” and this is what we have then what’s the fuging point? And the offense wasn’t humming with Dalton in there either, except against the raiders who’ll likely be firing their coach after this season. 

XL is probably the fourth best looking receiving option on the team right now behind thielen, Coker, and sanders. I don’t think anyone would disagree with that. Who cares about total receiving yards when everyone else has missed time and there’s like 180 yards of receiving a game to go around  

and lmao they were “believing” shut the fug up. They lost and for the most part those games were all the defense shutting down the other team. The chiefs turned around and gave up an actual impressive stat line to Aiden O’Connell and I not even the most delusional raiders fans think that means anything. Bryce did nothing against the eagles, the Bucs are a mash unit, and any one of us could have done that Bryce did against the giants and saints. 

And as far as who they’d get, they didn’t have any trouble hiring the guy you’re tripping over yourself to defend. They also could have hired Dan Quinn, who’s actually succeeding with a young qb. 

And people are acting like the risk of getting paid for not working for five years is a negative. Canales is going to spend the next half a decade getting paid to watch porn in his Bible camp office.

Edited 2 hours ago by electro's horse

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, electro&#x27;s horse said:

Canales was brought in to fix Bryce. That was how he sold himself. He failed. 

the panthers need a new qb, someone to coach him, and someone to build a defensive staff. 

Canales has failed at developing a new qb. His big draft project XL is trending towards bust. His entire nfl resume before the panthers was one season as offensive coordinator on a stacked Bucs team, and being on the offensive staff when a 31 year old Geno smith finally put it all together. And he didn’t even pick his defensive coordinator in Carolina. Assuming evero is gone, who’s he got in that phone to call? What low lvl porn addict evangelical from the bucs is ready to be Peter principled? Or am I supposed to believe the guy who’s failed spectacularly at the one thing he was brought in to do is actually going to nail that defensive coordinator pick?

There is nothing in his coaching history or his current performance that indicates he’s the person to move this team forward. Every other team knew this last cycle (panthers were only interview) and nothing has happened to change that perception  

all people like you have is “well you can’t do it again it’s too soon but <random interval of time> will be different. 

just pull off the bandage. There’s no reason to let this guy draft “his guy” except people wanting an excuse not to fire him after 2025. 

You and I both know there isn't a coach we could or can still hire that can "fix" Bryce Young.

Even at mighty Alabama with one of the best modern coaches in college football history Mac Jones was still a better QB than Bryce Young. Mac Jones....

We already know how you feel about Canales on a personal level so in that regard you wanting him fired is not news. You don't have to disguise it behind this shroud of rabble about not fixing Bryce Young. To his credit he somehow had us competive against the Chiefs and the Eagles on the road with #9. But no coaching staff can overcome their starting QB turning the ball over 4 times.

We definitely have developed some of our younger offensive pieces.

And as far as Evero goes he has earned criticism and if he's fired so be it but in his defense many of us said in the offseason this defensive roster was a disaster waiting to happen given the resources we spent on the offense while neglecting the defense. That was Dan Morgan's plan. He swung too hard toward offense to salvage the Bryce Young trade. That's on him.

We can scream about XL all we want but at least he's actually been on the field for the most part. The Brooks pick was a luxury pick at the time and now it is a Hurney level blunder. Dan Morgan has gotten a lot of early praise here when in reality he's unequivocally deserving of significant criticism. But if you say that some people get up in arms because he's a former Panther. Big whoop. He has just as much to prove this upcoming season as Canales. That's why to me in my own personal opinion I say one more season and then if it's more of the same say goodbye to both.

[electro's horse]

Here comes Frankw and his pathetic little persecution complex to claim I have a personal vendetta against one of the worst performing coaches in the league

if anything I should love Canales because he’s walking proof that through the lord all things AREN'T possible. 

This kind of performance is exactly what you’d expect from someone who filled the building with misunderstood Bible quotes about iron forging iron and inspired speeches about how he apologized for his infidelity by buying his wife a book deal. 

once more into the breech dear friends, just like when I paid a stripper for an above the pants hand job in Orlando. 

Edited 2 hours ago by electro's horse

[outlaw4]

I'm just hoping that Tepper actually has the patience and the self-restraint to simply let Canales/Morgan continue doing their jobs. 

[frankw]

8 minutes ago, electro&#x27;s horse said:

Here comes Frankw and his pathetic little persecution complex to claim I have a personal vendetta against one of the worst performing coaches in the league

if anything I should love Canales because he’s walking proof that through the lord all things AREN'T possible. 

This kind of performance is exactly what you’d expect from someone who filled the building with misunderstood Bible quotes about iron forging iron and inspired speeches about how he apologized for his infidelity by buying his wife a book deal. 

once more into the breech dear friends, just like when I paid a stripper for an above the pants hand job in Orlando. 

I'm not religious. I don't care that he is. It has no impact on whether or not he will succeed as a head coach in the NFL. If he doesn't work out here so be it. I'm not wasting keystrokes going off on tangents about his personal life. If I were that deeply invested to that point I wouldn't even be following sports at all. Clearly for whatever reason you do as the previous threads you have created eviscerating Dave Canales over that and his personal life would clearly indicate. But that's your prerogative.

[uncfan888]

3 hours ago, electro&#x27;s horse said:

The panthers have the worst scoring differential in the league, 28th in points per game. He’s shown absolutely nothing to indicate he’s the coach of anything. If you were basing it off this year alone he’d be fired. The product on the field is worse than reich and the worst parts of Rhule. 

Canales offensive coordinator is a random jabroni who’s just followed him around since Seattle and has a uh, unique, relationship with the coach. 

You need to log off and take a break... 

[Shotgun]

7 hours ago, rayzor said:

i felt good for those few games that bryce didn't look like the worst in the league. all that fell apart again sunday. 

i'm borderline just bailing on it all. i've been hanging on by a thin thread for several years. i mean it's not even fun to watch any football right now. 

I'm right there with you, its not like we haven't sucked in the past but there were at least players on the team that I loved, not so much these days. And another year of small  ball might just be it for me.