BREAKING: Panthers Announce Four Moves Including LB Trevin Wallace To IR

[SCO96]

7 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Dan Morgan might as well suit up we are down to practice squad linebackers.

Luke is only 33. Maybe he can convince him to suit up with him! 

[mav1234]

10 hours ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

Explain to me how his wasn’t anything but a disaster?

XL is a good rookie - but a rookie. He needs wrist surgery, but he's had a promising campaign 

Brooks yeah. That was a mistake.

Wallace was starting to look decent. But injuries happen.

Sanders looks very good so far.

Smith-Wade has had a couple nice plays and seems like good depth.

I don't think this is a failure of a draft class at all, still too early to tell, but some promising players. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

XL is a good rookie - but a rookie. He needs wrist surgery, but he's had a promising campaign 

Brooks yeah. That was a mistake.

Wallace was starting to look decent. But injuries happen.

Sanders looks very good so far.

Smith-Wade has had a couple nice plays and seems like good depth.

I don't think this is a failure of a draft class at all, still too early to tell, but some promising players. 

xl- 40 catches 400ish yards   I guess thats promising, some games he makes it looks easy to get open but the drops have to be cleaned up

Brooks - LOL at that trade up/pick. 

Wallace - Not even sure what to think, big athletic project that has made a couple of plays but looks lost a lot of the time. 

Sanders - Hell yeah thats the slam dunk of the draft

 

All in all its probably a C draft at best as it stands now

[SCO96]

Chubba had a good season in 2023. He's having a good-great 2024. I understand why Brooks was taken in 2nd round. Getting a back that talented on round 2 is a steal. But, the injury thing couldn't be overlooked. This team had no chance to make the playoffs by the time he was activated. We didn't need JB this season.

I would have made 2024 a red-shirt season for him; and wouldn't have had him take a snap until 2025 to give him an entire season to heal. That doesn't mean that he couldn't have hurt reinjured the knee in 2025, but taking the 2024 season off would have given him approximately 18 months off to recover from the original ACL injury.

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[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Candler Cat said:

gloom, despair, and agony on we

Deep dark depression, excessive misery 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Chubba had a good season in 2023. He's having a good-great 2024. I understand why Brooks was taken in 2nd round. Getting a back that talented on round 2 is a steal. But, the injury thing couldn't be overlooked. This team had no chance to make the playoffs by the time he was activated. We didn't need JB this season.

I would have made 2024 a red-shirt season for him; and wouldn't have had him take a snap until 2025 to give him an entire season to heal. That doesn't mean that he couldn't have hurt reinjured the knee in 2025, but taking the 2024 season off would have given him approximately 18 months off to recover from the original ACL injury.

Whats the point of that then?  You waste a year on his deal and he is in no way shape or form some generational talent.  I mean there are 4 dudes coming out this year better then him.  trading up for an already injured RB has to be the dumbest thing I can thing of in recent memory outside of not trading Burns and not picking cj.   But hey we really should the cowboys a thing or two

[SCO96]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Whats the point of that then?  You waste a year on his deal and he is in no way shape or form some generational talent.  I mean there are 4 dudes coming out this year better then him.  trading up for an already injured RB has to be the dumbest thing I can thing of in recent memory outside of not trading Burns and not picking cj.   But hey we really should the cowboys a thing or two

I didn't say I would have done it. I was just saying that I can see why some in the FO considered it. Everything was done to give Bryce weapons. Solidify the interior line thru FA. Get XL at WR in round 1 and then get the most talented RB in round 2. Take a TE in round 4, etc

They were probably "assuming" he'd make a complete recovery during the 2024 season. I'm a skeptical person. I wouldn't have assumed he'd be ok in 2024. I personally would have taken another position in the 2nd for that very reason. But, if I were "influenced" to take him I would've argued to keep him off the field, especially seeing how things were going for us record wise.

Conventional Wisdom says most backs don't get back to normal until two years after the ACL surgery. He was injured in Fall 2023. Having him suit up in 2025 would have been almost 2 years since the original injury. You have him for 3 year on low contract. If he balls out, you resign him for a couple of more years b/c he'd only have 3 years of tread on the tires. If he's ok but not great you let him walk. 

[mav1234]

26 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

xl- 40 catches 400ish yards   I guess thats promising, some games he makes it looks easy to get open but the drops have to be cleaned up

Brooks - LOL at that trade up/pick. 

Wallace - Not even sure what to think, big athletic project that has made a couple of plays but looks lost a lot of the time. 

Sanders - Hell yeah thats the slam dunk of the draft

 

All in all its probably a C draft at best as it stands now

I'd give it a C mainly because of Brooks.  If we just didn't have a 2nd I'd argue B to B+ tbh. Brooks was a bad gamble, tho one that could still pay off long term.

Yes XL only has 400 yards but... Look who is throwing him the ball. And I think he isn't a "true #1" but he's been able to consistently get open. Hands definitely need to be cleaned up.  But he should end the year with 500-600 yards.

Like you said - Sanders looks great.  Get him a better QB / more time with a QB and I think he's gonna impress.

We added a couple rotational players on D that have both made plays and show promise for the future from later rounds.

So I'd say, Brooks really hurts this drafts grade. It'll be interesting to see how it progresses over the next 3 years. I've overall really liked Morgan's FA acquisitions, so...

[Bear Hands]

I liked Trevin, think his ceiling is high and he's got some grit.  He was a bit further along than expected in a few respects from a development standpoint.  Same goes for S-W and Sanders.  And I consider our priority UDFA for Coker a late 7th (even though we waived him and brought back).   The draft wasn't bad, but the top of it is just really frustrating yet again.    

We had some pretty glaring fits staring us in the face to pick at the top.  I mean, imagine Ladd at 32 and Frazier/Sainristil at 46, this could've easily been a home run draft.  But Xavier and Brooks rubbed people the wrong way, and seems to still be the case.  Especially when one has a dropping problem and the other injured the same knee and now looks like a question mark as our future RB.  

[SCO96]

26 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I liked Trevin, think his ceiling is high and he's got some grit.  He was a bit further along than expected in a few respects from a development standpoint.  Same goes for S-W and Sanders.  And I consider our priority UDFA for Coker a late 7th (even though we waived him and brought back).   The draft wasn't bad, but the top of it is just really frustrating yet again.    

We had some pretty glaring fits staring us in the face to pick at the top.  I mean, imagine Ladd at 32 and Frazier/Sainristil at 46, this could've easily been a home run draft. 

It's hard to argue with your logic. Ladd seems tailor made to play in a system with a QB like BY; and getting a franchise center in round2 would have given us easily one of the top 10 interior lines...if not top 10 offensive lines...in the NFL.

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[Waldo]

What an awful offseason they had. Wasted so much money in free agency and got so little. Their best rookie was undrafted as a WR. First round was a WR who body catches or has the dropsies. Second round is an injury prone RB who is on IR again. Wallace was meh and now also injured. Sanders is OK for a 3rd, at least when you compare him to the other picks. 

Talent evaluation and team building continue to be an issue with anyone working for the Panthers so nothing new since Tepper showed up. 

[hepcat]

1 hour ago, SCO96 said:

Chubba had a good season in 2023. He's having a good-great 2024. I understand why Brooks was taken in 2nd round. Getting a back that talented on round 2 is a steal. But, the injury thing couldn't be overlooked. This team had no chance to make the playoffs by the time he was activated. We didn't need JB this season.

I would have made 2024 a red-shirt season for him; and wouldn't have had him take a snap until 2025 to give him an entire season to heal. That doesn't mean that he couldn't have hurt reinjured the knee in 2025, but taking the 2024 season off would have given him approximately 18 months off to recover from the original ACL injury.

Getting a good RB in the second round isn't a steal, it's the average position to get a good RB if anything. 

[ForJimmy]

50 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I liked Trevin, think his ceiling is high and he's got some grit.  He was a bit further along than expected in a few respects from a development standpoint.  Same goes for S-W and Sanders.  And I consider our priority UDFA for Coker a late 7th (even though we waived him and brought back).   The draft wasn't bad, but the top of it is just really frustrating yet again.    

We had some pretty glaring fits staring us in the face to pick at the top.  I mean, imagine Ladd at 32 and Frazier/Sainristil at 46, this could've easily been a home run draft.  But Xavier and Brooks rubbed people the wrong way, and seems to still be the case.  Especially when one has a dropping problem and the other injured the same knee and now looks like a question mark as our future RB.  

I think DC was wanting a X WR to play the Evans role in his offense and XL fit that role the best based on where we were drafting. Ladd would have been similar to AT or DJ (at the time). I don’t really agree with the process. Personally I’d take the best players and then build an offense for them (especially on a roster as weak as ours). I got nothing on Brooks other than DC wanting to run the ball, but there were much better ways of getting a RB2 than that…

[SCO96]

27 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Getting a good RB in the second round isn't a steal, it's the average position to get a good RB if anything. 

JB had a first round grade in the eyes of a lot scouts based on HIS TALENT LEVEL. If not for the injury he would have gone higher in the draft, possibly between the middle and the end of round 1. To get him just before the 50th pick is a steal. He'd be on a 4 year deal. You can't even renegotiate until the end of the season 3. You're basically paying him nothing for 3 seasons.

I don't buy into all back are interchangeable. No they're not. You have average backs, good backs, then your great-exceptional backs. The latter category doesn't grow on trees. If a back is special it pays to keep them. The key is knowing the difference between the first two categories and the third one.