How did they mess up so bad with Mayfield and Darnold,

[WhoKnows]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

Sam Darnold and Baker are basically the same dudes they have always been....only changes have been what has existed around them.  In Carolina, they had bad coaching and bad talent.  So you get bad side of that equation. 

If Sam Darnold was in Carolina and 70% of the targets went to Justin Jefferson, a RB or a TE......he would have sucked less here.   We didn't have the means to allow that. 

Baker has improved and gotten some nice weapons too but I think you are right on Darnold. Even last night, we saw interceptions/almost picks, but with Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson and Jones, Darnold has weapons he never had anywhere close to here.

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3 hours ago, Jmac said:

We had two answers right in our pocket and fugged it up. Both are playing up to their draft status after being dogs here. Obviously, it had to be personal on the field, coaching, or scheme. Could also be all of the above. 

 Both guys are much more talented than Young. Just have to watch them play to see the glaring difference. Having to give up the store to get QB #1 when they had the answer already here.

I would take either one over what we have, hands down. Why do you think was the reason they have both done a 180 since leaving?

Because just about everybody on here said they both sucked! I remember many times saying be careful what you wish for. And look what has happened. We shouldn't have drafted Bryce. We should have built a team around what we had at QB, then take a chance on drafting a QB for the future once you have a legit cast. Now we have a QB who I'm still not completely sold on, and a team that is missing 5 or 6 players on defense, and at least 3 players on offense. So we sit now debating about what to do with our 1st rd pick. Just like we should have done when we drafted Bryce, we should trade down to middle/late 1st rd and get a few extra picks. We need all of them we can get! IMO

[Khyber53]

3 hours ago, trucpfan said:

A stout offensive line, much better coaching and each has an All Pro Wr as their number one guy. We had none of those 3 during each QBs tenure.

Those 3 things are the difference in achieving success vs looking like Bryce on the regular. 

Each guy has a franchise WR as their go to option big difference in comparison to what we've trotted out this year a rookie as the go-to guy or a 35 yr old WR and in football age that's old!!!! Huge difference in weapons but while they were here we were run by Rhule who is the best snake oil salesman I've ever witnessed.

Both teams also have steady to good defenses. Something we don't have at all here.

You should be able to win games if you can score 24 points.

[CBDellinger]

more organizations have let down QBs than QBs have let down organizations.

 

[raleigh-panther]

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What have the Panthers actually done right under David Tepper? It's an incredibly short list.

….wait…there is a list ?

[Davidson Deac II]

In fairness, Darnold had decent success with us after Rhule left.  The offensive line was competent, the run game worked some.  But both decided to go their separate ways after that season was over.  

Baker's failure was all Rhule.  

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

….wait…there is a list ?

The list of good things

The list of collosal fug ups

 

[t96]

I don't think the Panthers "messed up so bad" with these guys. We've messed up badly with a lot of other guys (Bryce, Burns, McCaffrey, etc.) but neither Darnold or Baker is a franchise QB and neither will win a SB as a starter. They've landed in really good situations and have had some success, good for them, but we need better than those guys at the position.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

“They” aren’t the same “they”

[mav1234]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Both teams also have steady to good defenses. Something we don't have at all here.

You should be able to win games if you can score 24 points.

We've managed 24 points or more three times this year and only once with our current QB. We've scored 70 fewer points than the average NFL team. Our defense IS worse than our offense, but we spent so much more on offense this offseason.

[outlaw4]

Evans/Godwin may be ancient but we haven't had such a pairing even remotely close since the 2000s. Vikings offense has enough talent that our most reliable receiver option today is one of their discarded pieces in Thielen.

In other words, this organization thought we gave Darnold/Mayfield a realistic chance except we instead placed them in situations a lot closer to the bad teams they had left. At some point, the blame falls less on the players and more on the fact that this team has their own myriad of issues from its owner to lack of talent across the board. 

Not to say Darnold/Mayfield will continue playing as they are. They just have far better odds than they ever had here. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Frank

[PappyMay]

We also had McDermott , Beane, and Brady from the Bills here and ruined that too.

[Call Me James]

They have elite tier receivers where they are and more than 1.